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(3 May 1918 – 28 November 2003) was a former
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player, manager, director and president which earned him the sobriquet ''Mr. Southampton''. Ted was the son of
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, who played cricket for
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and football for
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and
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. He was the grandson of
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who was one of the finest all-rounders for England in the early years of international cricket.


Playing career

Bates was born in
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and joined Saints on his 19th birthday in 1937, transferring from
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. He soon forced his way into the first team as a centre-forward. His career was interrupted by the
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, during which league football was suspended in England. He initially joined the War Reserve police force, spending his time on guard duty at the Shell-Mex oil depot at
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or the Pirelli-General cable works at
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. In the early part of the war, Bates still managed regular appearances for Saints in the wartime cups and leagues. On 8 June 1940, Bates married Mary Smith at St. James's Church in
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, and that evening watched Saints play
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at The Dell. Shortly afterwards the Bates' home was bombed and they moved to West Wellow, where Mary found work with the
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. Bates resigned from the War Reserve and went to work at the
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factory at Hamble, who also had a very good works football team, Folland Aircraft F.C. which, as well as Bates, included other professional players such as Bill Dodgin (Southampton),
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),
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(Charlton),
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, Cliff Parker and
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(all
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). Most of these players also guested for Saints in the War leagues. Bates' finest playing days came between 1947 and 1951 when he formed a great partnership with
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. After some declining performances on the pitch, Bates made his last first-team appearance on 20 December 1952 at home to
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. During his career he made 216 appearances, scoring 64 times.


Management

After retiring from playing he became a coach at Southampton in May 1953; advancing to manager in September 1955, taking over from George Roughton. Southampton were in the (then regional)
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when he took over as manager. They were promoted to the national
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in 1960 when they finished as champions of the Third Division with Derek Reeves scoring 39 league goals, a club record. Southampton were promoted to the First Division in 1966. Under his management, the team maintained their First Division status, developing young players such as
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and Ron Davies, and qualifying for European football in 1969 and 1971. Bates decided to step down as manager in December 1973 and was replaced by
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. Bates acted as McMenemy's assistant for the next few years, which included Southampton's historic
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victory in 1976. Bates was the first person to congratulate McMenemy and the players as the final whistle was blown at
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. He was manager for 18 years, a record for the club.


Honours

Bates then joined the Saints' board, where he would serve as a director for another 20 years before being appointed the club's president. He received the freedom of the city of
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in 1998 and was honoured with the
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in the 2001 New Year Honours for services to Southampton Football Club.


Death

Bates was widely regarded as a local hero for his dedication to the club over a period of 66 years, and his death in November 2003 was widely commemorated by the club and supporters' community. The first game after his death was the home match against
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in the
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and was the first derby between the two local rivals since an
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match at The Dell in 1996. A minute's silence in Bates' memory barely lasted 30 seconds after jeers and boos from fans in the away end. Those who booed and jeered were widely criticised by the media and by fellow Portsmouth fans.


Ted Bates Trophy

In 2003 the Ted Bates Trophy was inaugurated with a match against
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. It is an annual friendly match held in Ted's honour by the club he served so well,
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.


Statue controversy

A statue of Bates was unveiled outside the main entrance to
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on 17 March 2007. The statue cost approximately £112,000 half of which was raised by fans via the Ted Bates Trust and the other half met by Southampton Football Club. The statue was widely criticised by supporters just hours after its uncovering, for having tiny little arms and being a closer likeness to former Portsmouth F.C chairman
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than Bates, so the club pledged to organise a replacement. The replacement statue, by sculptor
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, was unveiled on Saturday 22 March 2008.


References


Bibliography

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External links


Tribute on Southampton F.C. website
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Details of Ted Bates Trust
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