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''Eros'' is the working title of an unreleased album by American
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band
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, with tentative release dates in 2008 and 2009. The band spent time recording the album from April to November 2008 at The Spot in
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. The November 2008 car accident of bassist Chi Cheng forced the band to initially hold off on releasing the album, however, and they later shelved the album indefinitely in a creative decision to move forward. With Cheng in a
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, Deftones recruited former
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bassist Sergio Vega and released ''
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'' instead in 2010. In the years that followed, the band has had mixed feelings about finishing and officially releasing ''Eros'' at some point down the road. The recording sessions of this album marked the first time in five years, since their self-titled fourth album, that Deftones had worked with
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.


Background and recording


Precursors (2000–2006)

Beginning with the writing process and subsequent rigorous touring schedule to promote Deftones' 2000 album ''
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'', the relationship among band members started to dissolve. This tension carried over to the recording of the group's fourth studio album, ''
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'', in 2003, which was a dark and depressing record. Deftones were not pleased with the album they created and did not tour much in support of it. They soon started work on what would eventually become ''
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'', a record that was pieced together with the members emailing each other their own recorded parts and not written as a full band. In the middle of recording ''Saturday Night Wrist'', singer
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went on a three-month tour with his side project
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. Deftones were on the verge of breaking up due to the unstable personal lives of each member both inside and outside of the band. This time period in the band's chronology is referred to by Deftones as "the Dark Days".


Resolutions and beginning to write ''Eros'' (2007)

Prior to the tour in support of ''Saturday Night Wrist'', a meeting was held with Deftones and their management about the fate of the band. When asked if the members still wanted to continue as a band, "the answer was a unanimous, 'Fuck yeah we do,'" which resulted in a "huge powwow and hug session." This meeting was a major turning point for band morale. Hoping for a rapid turnaround from their previous album, Deftones quickly started writing music for ''Eros'' as early as May 2007, only seven months after ''Saturday Night Wrist'' was released, and continued writing throughout the remainder of the year. During their tour with
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, Deftones set up a room backstage each night to jam together as a whole band. In October 2007, Deftones returned to their home in California and revamped their studio, The Spot. According to Carpenter, the studio became more of a clubhouse or "treehouse with a studio in it". The band built a bar in the studio and would go there to drink, play cards and hang out before picking up their instruments each day. Deftones used their pre-production time as therapy to vent about their lives in a positive environment. At this time, several members were going through divorces, custody battles over their children, money issues and other problems. By the end of October, Deftones had written half of an album, and continued to write throughout the rest of 2007 with intentions to self-produce the material in the following year.


Recording and Cheng's accident (2008)

The working title of "Eros" was announced in January 2008. The tentative title stemmed from an inside joke between the band members. Drummer
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stated that while touring Germany, "There'd always be some sort of German
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, and they would always say 'in heavy, lust accent'' 'Eros.' it was just kind of funny, and it's been a joke for years." Deftones officially entered the studio on April 14, 2008 with producer
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(who they had worked with on their first four studio albums, from 1995's ''
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'' through 2003's ''Deftones'') and engineer
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. For the first time in the group's history, Deftones created a blog specifically to update fans on the progress of recording. In September 2008, Deftones began playing the new song "Melanie" during live performances. Around this time, Date began mixing some of the songs at his home studio in
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. They had also planned on releasing one video of studio updates online per week leading up to the album's release, but only released five before production was put on hold. Cheng was on his way home returning from his brother's memorial service on November 3, 2008 when he was involved in a serious car accident. Moreno had just left the studio after recording vocal tracks for ''Eros'', and was about halfway done with his vocal work on the album when the accident occurred. Cheng was rushed to an ICU and was later announced to be in a coma. All production on the album halted, with the main focus of the band members on Cheng's condition.


Shelving ''Eros'', new albums and Cheng's death (2009–2013)

With production on ''Eros'' still on hold, Deftones recruited former Quicksand bassist Vega to fill in for various festival shows and also fundraising concerts for Cheng's hospital bills in early 2009. Vega had previously filled during 1999 tours after Cheng underwent foot surgery. In July 2009, Deftones announced they had indefinitely shelved ''Eros'' in favor of work on a new album written with Vega. At the time, only about six songs were completed for ''Eros''. Moreno estimated that ''Eros instrumental portions were "probably 75-80% done" while the lyrics were about halfway completed, requiring about six more months of work to finish. Their decision to temporarily scrap the album and start over was a "purely creative" choice, and had nothing to do with the bassist's condition. Instead of finishing what they had started and releasing the nearly complete ''Eros'', which was described as a dark album, Deftones wanted to write an optimistic and uplifting album to help cope with the situation with Cheng. The band used the same method of writing music as a group and avoiding
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that was used with the writing and recording of ''Eros''. The resulting album, ''
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'', was released on May 4, 2010. Deftones supported this release throughout 2010 and 2011 involving international tours. With ''Eros'' still shelved, Deftones began writing a second album with Vega in 2011, and released their follow-up to ''Diamond Eyes'', titled ''
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'', on November 13, 2012. Though Cheng was showing signs of improvement from his condition since the accident, he died on April 13, 2013 after his heart suddenly stopped, making ''Eros'' the last Deftones album Cheng worked on.


Musical style

Contrasted with the lighter and more atmospheric sound of ''Saturday Night Wrist'', ''Eros'' was expected to be a heavier album. In 2008, prior to recording, the album had been described as the band's "most unorthodox piece of work" containing "that good old 'Fuck you, I hope you die!' aggression." On previous Deftones records, Moreno wrote some of the guitar parts with
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, but Moreno stepped down from guitars to focus solely on vocals and lyrics, giving Carpenter full creative control over guitar composition. Whereas Moreno writes slower more mid-tempo songs, Carpenter writes "snappier", more uptempo songs. The songs he wrote for ''Eros'' were described as "energetic" and "dance-y." ''Eros'' was also later described as a very dark and experimental album that pushed each member's creative boundaries. Comparisons were drawn between the more experimental tracks and
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's "lengthy spaced-out songs, psychedelic vibes and plenty of jamming" by ''
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" from Deftones' self-titled album. In a 2010 interview with Vega, he described the ''Eros'' material as longer and more complex than the songs recorded for ''Diamond Eyes''.


Possible release

Several tentative release dates for ''Eros'' were announced before it was shelved indefinitely. When the band started writing the album in 2007, a late 2008 release was expected. As late 2008 began to approach, the tentative release date was pushed back to early 2009, or simply "winter", as seen in the teaser studio videos. After Cheng's car accident, it was uncertain if the album would ever get released. After Deftones began playing shows in early 2009, a new tentative release date of October 2009 was announced. However, Deftones started writing new music with Vega, and in June 2009, the band made the creative decision to hold off on releasing ''Eros'' indefinitely in favor of a new album, later called ''Diamond Eyes''. The band still hopes to release ''Eros'' at some point down the road, but a specific or tentative date is unknown. As of 2021, there is no estimated release date for the album. Feeling that the album is attached to the tragedy surrounding Cheng, the group would like to wait until enough time has passed for the songs to stand on their own merits. Ideally, Deftones would have preferred for Cheng to come out of his comatose state before the album's release. According to Moreno: In May 2013, one month after Cheng's death, Moreno said the likelihood of ''Eros'' being released was greater now than ever before. He also added: "I actually went back and listened to some of it recently and... you know, I don't know when e will put it outor... but I feel it's a little more appropriate now for us to think about that
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in the last few years to think about." He later clarified that Deftones would likely release at least one more album after ''Koi No Yokan'' before considering an official release for ''Eros''. On April 13, 2014, the first anniversary of Cheng's death, Deftones released the track "Smile" on YouTube, the first officially released material from the long-shelved album. The video was removed by
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two days later due to copyright infringement, despite the track having been uploaded by Moreno. In 2021, Moreno revealed that he decided to mix, master and leak "Smile" on his own on the anniversary of Cheng's death without the rest of the band's knowledge. After ''Koi No Yokans follow-up album ''Gore'' was released in 2016, Moreno seemed less interested in finishing ''Eros'' citing the unfinished album's poor quality. He said he "wasn't too happy with the material we had" and that "some of the music was lacking a little bit". Moreno elaborated: In a 2020 interview, Abe Cunningham noted that the band wasn't satisfied with the quality of some of the songs and many were incomplete, but that Deftones had discussed possibly releasing some of the completed tracks in an EP format. In 2021, Moreno stated that aside from revisiting "Smile" in 2014, he has not opened the ''Eros'' sessions files on his hard drive since 2008. Unlike "Smile," Moreno would want the full band's input on finishing the ''Eros'' songs, but is hesitant to revisit these songs. He said, "As to where if I put those 'Eros'' songson, it was gonna take me back to that time, which I didn't want to be in. And I'm still kind of hesitant to go back and listen. It's probably why I haven't opened it up and listened to a lot of it."


Legacy

A decade after it was shelved indefinitely and while still unreleased, ''Eros'' began appearing on music journalists' lists of top unreleased albums. In 2019, the album was listed on ''Kerrang!s "12 Rock And Metal Albums That Never Were" list and ''Metal Hammers "The Greatest Metal Records That Never Were" list. In 2021, ''
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'' included ''Eros'' on the publication's list of "45 Lost Albums We Want To Hear."


Working track titles

According to Chino Moreno, Deftones recorded 11 or 12 songs during the ''Eros'' sessions. The working titles of all songs from the ''Eros'' sessions were named after
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s. The song "Smile" was the only track to be mixed and mastered. *"Dallas" *"Destiny" *"Melanie" *"" *"Smile"


Personnel

Deftones *
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* Chi Cheng
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*
Abe Cunningham Abraham Benjamin Cunningham (born July 27, 1973) is an American musician, best known as the drummer of the alternative metal band Deftones. Life and career Abe Cunningham was born in Long Beach, California. When he was young, his family moved ...
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* Frank Delgado
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, samples *
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Production and recording *
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producer *
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*
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– additional recording on "Smile"


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External links


''Eros'' studio videos 1–5
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