Public Image Ltd (abbreviated and stylized as PiL) are an English
post-punk
Post-punk (originally called new musick) is a broad genre of music that emerged in late 1977 in the wake of punk rock. Post-punk musicians departed from punk's fundamental elements and raw simplicity, instead adopting a broader, more experiment ...
band formed by lead vocalist
John Lydon
John Joseph Lydon ( ; born 31 January 1956), also known by his former stage name Johnny Rotten, is a British-born singer, songwriter, author, and television personality. He was the lead vocalist of the punk rock band the Sex Pistols, which was ...
(previously, as Johnny Rotten, lead vocalist of the
Sex Pistols
The Sex Pistols are an English punk rock band formed in London in 1975. Although their initial career lasted just two and a half years, they became culturally influential in popular music. The band initiated the punk movement in the United Ki ...
), guitarist
Keith Levene (a founding member of
the Clash
The Clash were an English Rock music, rock band formed in London in 1976. Billed as "The Only Band That Matters", they are considered one of the most influential acts in the original wave of British punk rock, with their music fusing elements ...
), bassist
Jah Wobble
John Joseph Wardle (born 11 August 1958), known by the stage name Jah Wobble, is an English bass guitarist and singer. He became known to a wider audience as the original bass player in Public Image Ltd (PiL) in the late 1970s and early 1980s; ...
, and drummer
Jim Walker in May 1978. The group's line-up has changed frequently over the years; Lydon has been the sole constant member.
Following Lydon's departure from the
Sex Pistols
The Sex Pistols are an English punk rock band formed in London in 1975. Although their initial career lasted just two and a half years, they became culturally influential in popular music. The band initiated the punk movement in the United Ki ...
in January 1978, he sought a more experimental "anti-
rock" project and formed PiL in June of that year.
PiL released their debut studio album ''
First Issue'' (1978), creating an abrasive, bass-heavy sound that drew on
dub,
noise
Noise is sound, chiefly unwanted, unintentional, or harmful sound considered unpleasant, loud, or disruptive to mental or hearing faculties. From a physics standpoint, there is no distinction between noise and desired sound, as both are vibrat ...
,
progressive rock
Progressive rock (shortened as prog rock or simply prog) is a broad genre of rock music that primarily developed in the United Kingdom through the mid- to late 1960s, peaking in the early-to-mid-1970s. Initially termed " progressive pop", the ...
and
disco
Disco is a music genre, genre of dance music and a subculture that emerged in the late 1960s from the United States' urban nightclub, nightlife, particularly in African Americans, African-American, Italian-Americans, Italian-American, LGBTQ ...
.
PiL's second studio album ''
Metal Box'' (1979) pushed their sound further into the
avant-garde
In the arts and literature, the term ''avant-garde'' ( meaning or ) identifies an experimental genre or work of art, and the artist who created it, which usually is aesthetically innovative, whilst initially being ideologically unacceptable ...
, and is often regarded as one of the most important albums of the post-punk era.
By 1984, Levene, Wobble and Walker had departed and the group was effectively a solo vehicle for Lydon, who moved toward a more accessible sound with the commercially successful studio albums ''
This Is What You Want... This Is What You Get'' (1984) and ''
Album
An album is a collection of audio recordings (e.g., music) issued on a medium such as compact disc (CD), Phonograph record, vinyl (record), audio tape (like 8-track cartridge, 8-track or Cassette tape, cassette), or digital distribution, dig ...
'' (1986). After a late 1990s hiatus, Lydon reformed the group in 2009 and has released several further albums, including ''
What the World Needs Now...'' (2015).
History
Early career
Following the Sex Pistols' break-up in 1978, photographer
Dennis Morris suggested that Lydon travel to
Jamaica
Jamaica is an island country in the Caribbean Sea and the West Indies. At , it is the third-largest island—after Cuba and Hispaniola—of the Greater Antilles and the Caribbean. Jamaica lies about south of Cuba, west of Hispaniola (the is ...
with him and
Virgin Records
Virgin Records is a British record label owned by Universal Music Group. They were originally founded as a British independent record label in 1972 by entrepreneurs Richard Branson, Simon Draper, Nik Powell, and musician Tom Newman (musician), ...
head
Richard Branson
Sir Richard Charles Nicholas Branson (born 18 July 1950) is an English business magnate who co-founded the Virgin Group in 1970, and controlled 5 companies remaining of once more than 400.
Branson expressed his desire to become an entrepreneu ...
, where Branson would be
scouting
Scouting or the Scout Movement is a youth social movement, movement which became popularly established in the first decade of the twentieth century. It follows the Scout method of informal education with an emphasis on practical outdoor activi ...
for emerging
reggae
Reggae () is a music genre that originated in Jamaica during the late 1960s. The term also denotes the modern popular music of Jamaica and its Jamaican diaspora, diaspora. A 1968 single by Toots and the Maytals, "Do the Reggay", was the first ...
musicians. Branson also flew American
new wave band
Devo
Devo is an American new wave band from Akron, Ohio, formed in 1973. Their classic line-up consisted of two sets of brothers, the Mothersbaughs ( Mark and Bob) and the Casales (Gerald and Bob), along with Alan Myers. The band had a No. 14 ...
to Jamaica, aiming to install Lydon as lead vocalist in the band. Devo declined the offer.
Upon returning to England, Lydon searched for musicians but it was difficult. He stated in the press: "I'm thinking about going up north for someone. They've got bands up there who are trying to be different". He approached
Jah Wobble
John Joseph Wardle (born 11 August 1958), known by the stage name Jah Wobble, is an English bass guitarist and singer. He became known to a wider audience as the original bass player in Public Image Ltd (PiL) in the late 1970s and early 1980s; ...
(
né John Wardle) about forming a band together. The pair had been friends since the early 1970s when they attended the same school in Hackney (both belonged to a circle of friends Lydon informally dubbed "The Gang of Johns" – John Lydon, John Wardle, John Gray, and Simon John Ritchie/Beverley, a.k.a.
Sid Vicious
Simon John Ritchie (10 May 1957 – 2 February 1979), better known by his stage name Sid Vicious, was an English musician, best known as the second bassist for the punk rock band Sex Pistols. After his death in 1979 at the age of 21, he remai ...
). Lydon and Wobble had previously played music together during the final days of the Sex Pistols. Both had similarly broad musical tastes, and were avid fans of reggae and
world music
"World music" is an English phrase for styles of music from non-English speaking countries, including quasi-traditional, Cross-cultural communication, intercultural, and traditional music. World music's broad nature and elasticity as a musical ...
. Lydon assumed, much as he had with Sid Vicious, that Wobble would learn to play bass guitar as he went. Wobble would prove to be a natural talent. Lydon also approached guitarist
Keith Levene for the new band. Levene and Lydon had become acquainted while touring in mid-1976 when Levene was still a member of
the Clash
The Clash were an English Rock music, rock band formed in London in 1976. Billed as "The Only Band That Matters", they are considered one of the most influential acts in the original wave of British punk rock, with their music fusing elements ...
. At the time, Lydon and Levene had both considered themselves outsiders even within their own bands.
Jim Walker, a Canadian student newly arrived in the UK, was recruited on drums, after answering an advertisement placed in ''
Melody Maker
''Melody Maker'' was a British weekly music magazine, one of the world's earliest music weeklies; according to its publisher, IPC Media, the earliest. In January 2001, it was merged into "long-standing rival" (and IPC Media sister publicatio ...
'' published on May 6, 1978.
The band began rehearsing together in mid-May 1978, although they were still unnamed. In July 1978, Lydon officially named the band "Public Image" (the "Ltd" was added when the company was incorporated in July 1978), after the
Muriel Spark
Dame Muriel Sarah Spark (; 1 February 1918 – 13 April 2006). was a List of Scottish novelists, Scottish novelist, short story writer, poet and essayist.
Life
Muriel Camberg was born in the Bruntsfield area of Edinburgh, the daughter of Bernar ...
novel ''
The Public Image'' (1968).
["PiL Chronology: 1978"]
by Karsten Roekens & Scott M, Fodderstompf.com, 2006. PiL debuted in October 1978 with "
Public Image", a song written while Lydon was still a member of the Sex Pistols, and discussed his feelings of being exploited by their manager
Malcolm McLaren
Malcolm Robert Andrew McLaren (22 January 1946 – 8 April 2010) was an English fashion designer and music manager. He was a promoter and a manager for punk rock and new wave bands such as New York Dolls, Sex Pistols, Adam and the Ants, and ...
.
[Lydon, John. ''No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs'', Keith & Kent Zimmerman, ]St. Martin's Press
St. Martin's Press is a book publisher headquartered in Manhattan in New York City. It is headquartered in the Equitable Building (New York City), Equitable Building. St. Martin's Press is considered one of the largest English-language publishe ...
, May 1994. The single was well received and reached number 9 on the
UK Singles Chart, and it also performed well on import in the US.
''Public Image: First Issue'' (1978)
In preparing their debut studio album, ''
Public Image: First Issue'', the band spent their recording budget well before the record was completed. As a result, the final album comprised eight tracks of varying sound quality, half of which were written and recorded in a rush after the money had run out. The album was released in December 1978.
The single "Public Image" was widely seen as diatribe against
Malcolm McLaren
Malcolm Robert Andrew McLaren (22 January 1946 – 8 April 2010) was an English fashion designer and music manager. He was a promoter and a manager for punk rock and new wave bands such as New York Dolls, Sex Pistols, Adam and the Ants, and ...
and his perceived manipulation of Lydon during his career with Sex Pistols. The track "Low Life" (with its accusatory lyrics of "Egomaniac traitor", "You fell in love with your ego" and "
Bourgeoisie
The bourgeoisie ( , ) are a class of business owners, merchants and wealthy people, in general, which emerged in the Late Middle Ages, originally as a "middle class" between the peasantry and aristocracy. They are traditionally contrasted wi ...
anarchist
Anarchism is a political philosophy and Political movement, movement that seeks to abolish all institutions that perpetuate authority, coercion, or Social hierarchy, hierarchy, primarily targeting the state (polity), state and capitalism. A ...
") has also been regarded as an attack on McLaren, although Lydon has stated that the lyrics refer to
Sid Vicious
Simon John Ritchie (10 May 1957 – 2 February 1979), better known by his stage name Sid Vicious, was an English musician, best known as the second bassist for the punk rock band Sex Pistols. After his death in 1979 at the age of 21, he remai ...
. The two-part song "Religion" refers contemptuously to the
Catholic Church
The Catholic Church (), also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the List of Christian denominations by number of members, largest Christian church, with 1.27 to 1.41 billion baptized Catholics Catholic Church by country, worldwid ...
; Lydon came up with the lyrics when he was part of the Sex Pistols but he claims the other members of the band were reluctant to use them. The closing track "Fodderstompf", heavily influenced by dub, comprises nearly eight minutes of a circular bass riff, played over a Lydon/Wobble double act lampooning public outrage, love songs and teenage apathy, whilst openly acknowledging the lack of effort being put into it. The track culminates with the sound of a fire extinguisher being let off in the recording studio by Wobble. The photography for the album was shot by Dennis Morris who also created the PiL logo. Lydon disputes Morris creating the logo.
"PiL was the simple thing of four different people doing different drugs at different times," Wobble observed to ''
Select''. "It was only in any way together for the first two months of its existence. We had a fuckin' good drummer called Jim Walker, but he fucked off after a few months
n early 1979and it just fell apart. Somehow it had sort of death throes that produced a couple of blinding albums."
''Metal Box'' (1979) and ''Paris au Printemps'' (1980)

The departure of Jim Walker made way for a series of new drummers. Auditions were later held at Rollerball Studios in
Tooley Street
Tooley Street is a road in central London, central and south London, south London connecting London Bridge to St Saviour's Dock; it runs past Tower Bridge on the Southwark/Bermondsey side of the River Thames, and forms part of the A200 road. (. ...
,
London Bridge
The name "London Bridge" refers to several historic crossings that have spanned the River Thames between the City of London and Southwark in central London since Roman Britain, Roman times. The current crossing, which opened to traffic in 197 ...
. David Humphrey was their second drummer, who went on to record two tracks at
Manor Studios in Oxford, "Swan Lake" and "Albatross", for ''
Metal Box''. "
Death Disco" (a.k.a. "Swan Lake") was released as a single in 1979 and reached No. 20 in the charts.
The majority of the drumming on the album was provided by
Richard Dudanski (formerly of
the 101ers
The 101ers were a pub rock band from the 1970s playing mostly in a rockabilly style, notable as being the band that Joe Strummer left to join The Clash. Formed in London in May 1974, the 101ers made their performing debut on 7 September at the ...
), PiL's drummer from April to September 1979. He was replaced by
Karl Burns
Karl Burns (born 19 March 1958) is a British musician best known as the drummer for The Fall, featuring in many incarnations of the band between 1977 and 1998.
Although several musicians have rejoined the Fall having previously left or been ...
(of
the Fall), who in turn was replaced by
Martin Atkins. The recording and practice sessions were chaotic; Atkins said in 2001 that his audition was playing "Bad Baby" during a recording session--a take which was taped and released on ''Metal Box''. Atkins was PiL's drummer from 1979 to 1980 and 1982 to 1985.
''Metal Box'' was originally released as three untitled
45-rpm 12-inch (30-cm) records packaged in a metal box resembling a film canister with an embossed PiL logo on the lid (it was later reissued in more conventional packaging as a double LP set, ''
Second Edition''), and features the band's trademark hypnotic
dub reggae bass lines, glassy,
arpeggiated guitar, and bleak, paranoid,
stream of consciousness
In literary criticism, stream of consciousness is a narrative mode or method that attempts "to depict the multitudinous thoughts and feelings which pass through the mind" of a narrator. It is usually in the form of an interior monologue which ...
vocals.
PiL had a series of contentious live shows and behind-the-scenes controversies during their first American tour in 1980. Their appearance at the
Grand Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles was fraught with hostile exchanges between Lydon and the audience. Tensions offstage mounted as well. PiL demanded that they work only with local promoters, bucking the promotional machinery of
Warner Bros. Records, their American label. For both the Los Angeles and San Francisco appearances, PiL agreed to work with
David Ferguson and his independent
CD Presents label. This business arrangement pitted the band and CD Presents in a pitched battle against San Francisco-based promoter
Bill Graham, who negotiated with concert venue owners and San Francisco government officials to deprive PiL of a concert location. Fearing public outbursts if the show was cancelled, San Francisco city officials instead opted to allow the CD Presents-sponsored event to proceed.
[Wechsler, Shoshana. "Emperor's New Clothes: Public Image in San Francisco". Damage, Vol. 1, No. 7. July 1980. pp. 8–10]
On 17 May 1980, the group appeared on the teenage music show ''
American Bandstand
''American Bandstand'' (AB) is an American Music television, music performance and dance television series that aired in various iterations from 1952 to 1989. It was hosted by Dick Clark who also served as the program's Television producer, pr ...
'' at the invitation of host
Dick Clark
Richard Wagstaff Clark (November 30, 1929April 18, 2012) was an American television and radio personality and television producer who hosted ''American Bandstand'' from 1956 to 1989. He also hosted five incarnations of the Pyramid (game show), ...
.
PiL's performance was chaotic; they abandoned lip-syncing, invited the audience onto the stage while the music played and Lydon clowned. Clark named the performance among his top 100 AB favorites.
In June 1980, Lydon and Levene were interviewed on
NBC's ''
The Tomorrow Show'' by host
Tom Snyder
Thomas James Snyder (May 12, 1936 – July 29, 2007) was an American television personality, news anchor, and radio personality best known for his late night talk shows '' Tomorrow'', on NBC in the 1970s and 1980s, and '' The Late Late Show'' ...
. The interview was awkward (and combative at times). At one point, Snyder asked Lydon if PiL was a band to which Lydon replied with, "We ain't no band, we're a company. Simple. Nothing to do with rock and roll. Doo Da." The segment ended with Snyder apologising to the audience: "The interesting part is, is that we talked to these two gentlemen a couple of weeks ago, a pre-interview, apparently that went all just fine and it made great sense, and what I read about them this afternoon, but somehow it got a little lost in translation tonight. But that's probably my fault." Lydon re-appeared on Tom Snyder's show in 1997, and Snyder apologised about what happened that night. Lydon shook it off by saying "it's just entertainment", and the completely normal interview proceeded without difficulty.
1980 also saw the release of PiL's first live album, ''
Paris au Printemps'' – also the group's last album featuring Jah Wobble. On this release's album sleeve, the band's name and all of the track titles were translated into French. The album cover was a painting by John Lydon depicting himself, Keith Levene and
Jeannette Lee.
In May 1981, PiL appeared in New York at
The Ritz, playing from behind a projection screen. Lydon, Levene and Jeanette Lee were joined by a new drummer, 60-year-old jazz player Sam Ulano, who had been recruited for the gig from a bar, having apparently never heard the band before. While something reminiscent of but clearly different from PiL improvised behind the screen, PiL records were played simultaneously through the PA. Lydon taunted the audience, who expected to hear familiar material (or at least see the band), and a melée erupted in which the audience pelted the stage with bottles and pulled on a tarp spread under the band, toppling equipment. The promoters cleared the hall and cancelled the next night's show, and a local media furore ignited in New York.
''The Flowers of Romance'' (1981)
Later in 1980, Jah Wobble left the band and was not formally replaced. The resulting studio album was notable for its almost complete lack of bass parts. Martin Atkins, who had initially joined at the tail end of the ''Metal Box'' sessions, was re-recruited to drum on ''
The Flowers of Romance''. Levene had by then largely abandoned guitar in favour of synthesiser, picking up a new technique although owing a debt to
Allen Ravenstine of
Pere Ubu. Atkins' propulsive
marching band
A marching band is a group of instrumental musicians who play while marching. Historically they were used in armed forces and many marching bands remain military bands. Others are still associated with military units or emulate a military sty ...
-style drumming, the lack of bass and guitar, and Lydon's increasing lyrical abstraction made this album a difficult listen for rock fans, and contemporary reviews expressed great confusion. The record consists mostly of drums, vocals,
musique concrète
Musique concrète (; ): " problem for any translator of an academic work in French is that the language is relatively abstract and theoretical compared to English; one might even say that the mode of thinking itself tends to be more schematic ...
, and
tape loop
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s, with only gestures toward bass (played by Levene) and keyboards. The title "Flowers of Romance" was the name of
a short-lived band featuring Keith Levene,
Viv Albertine, and Sid Vicious in 1976. The track "Francis Massacre" was partially inspired by Lydon's incarceration in
Mountjoy Prison
Mountjoy Prison (), founded as Mountjoy Gaol and nicknamed The Joy, is a medium security men's prison located in Phibsborough in the centre of Dublin, Ireland.
The current prison Governor is Ray Murtagh.
History
Mountjoy was designed by Cap ...
and the track "Hymie's Him" began life as an instrumental piece intended for the score of
Michael Wadleigh
Michael Wadleigh (born September 24, 1939, in Akron, Ohio, Akron, Ohio) is an American people, American film director and cinematographer known for his documentary film, documentary of the 1969 Woodstock Festival, ''Woodstock (film), Woodstock''.
...
's crime horror film ''
Wolfen'' (1981).
1983–1986: ''Commercial Zone'', ''This Is What You Want...'' and ''Album''
An aborted fourth studio album recorded in 1982 was later released by Levene as ''
Commercial Zone'', which included contributions from bassist Pete Jones. Lydon and Atkins claim that Levene stole the master tapes. Atkins stayed on through a live album (one of the first digital live albums ever recorded), ''
Live in Tokyo'' (1983) – in which PiL consisted of him, Lydon, and a band of session musicians—and left in 1985, following the release of ''
This Is What You Want... This Is What You Get'' (1984). This album consists of re-recorded versions of five songs from ''Commercial Zone'' (several of which feature a horn section) and three new tracks (four songs from ''Commercial Zone'' were not re-recorded for the new album). PiL was moving towards a more commercial pop music and
dance music
Dance music is music composed specifically to facilitate or accompany dancing. It can be either a whole piece or part of a larger musical arrangement. In terms of performance, the major categories are live dance music and recorded dance musi ...
direction, and while many new fans found PiL, little of their original audience (or sound) remained.
During this interim period, the band released the single "
This Is Not a Love Song" in 1983, the song's lyric lampooning the anger of some fans and music press over the band's movement towards a more commercial style. The song's title was inspired by a line in the song "Her Story" (1979) by Virgin label stablemates the
Flying Lizards, about bands 'selling out' their artistic principles for commercial success ("''But you can still make money, by singing sweet songs of love... this is a love song''"). Ironically, it gave the band their biggest international hit single, reaching No. 5 in the UK singles charts and No. 12 in the Netherlands.
A re-recorded version with harsher vocals and a brass section was included on the album ''This Is What You Want... This Is What You Get''.
In 1985, Lydon recorded a song entitled "World Destruction" in collaboration with
Afrika Bambaataa
Lance Taylor (born April 17, 1957), also known as Afrika Bambaataa (), is a retired American DJ, rapper, and record producer. He is notable for releasing a series of genre-defining electro tracks in the 1980s that influenced the development of ...
's band Time Zone and producer
Bill Laswell
William Otis Laswell (born February 12, 1955) is an American bass guitarist, record producer, and record label owner. He has been involved in thousands of recordings with many collaborators from all over the world. His music draws from funk, wo ...
. PiL's 1986 studio album release was simply entitled ''
Album
An album is a collection of audio recordings (e.g., music) issued on a medium such as compact disc (CD), Phonograph record, vinyl (record), audio tape (like 8-track cartridge, 8-track or Cassette tape, cassette), or digital distribution, dig ...
'', ''Compact Disc'', or ''Cassette'', depending on the format. The cover's blue typeface and spartan design parodied
generic brands; promotional photos featured Lydon in a "generic blue" suit surrounded by generic foods and drinking generic beer. Produced by Bill Laswell (despite Lydon-fuelled faction and disunion) and with many of Laswell's usual rotating cast of musicians, it also featured guitar solos by
Steve Vai
Steven Siro Vai ( ; born June 6, 1960) is an American guitarist, songwriter, and producer. A three-time Grammy Award winner and fifteen-time nominee, Vai started his music career in 1978 at the age of eighteen as a Transcription (music), transc ...
, considered by Vai himself to be some of his best work.
Jonas Hellborg, solo bassist and at the time, member of
John McLaughlin's reformed band,
the Mahavishnu Orchestra, played bass on the album. Jazz great
Tony Williams and legendary
Cream
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drummer
Ginger Baker
Peter Edward "Ginger" Baker (19 August 1939 – 6 October 2019) was an English drummer. His work in the 1960s and 1970s earned him the reputation of "rock's first superstar drummer", for a style that melded jazz and Music of Africa, Africa ...
drummed on the album, which also featured
Ryuichi Sakamoto
was a Music of Japan, Japanese musician, composer, keyboardist, record producer, singer and actor. He pursued a diverse range of styles as a solo artist and as a member of the Synthesizer, synth-based band Yellow Magic Orchestra (YMO). With his ...
of the Japanese electronic music band
Yellow Magic Orchestra
Yellow Magic Orchestra (abbreviated to YMO) was a Japanese electronic music band formed in Tokyo in 1978 by Haruomi Hosono (bass, keyboards, vocals), Yukihiro Takahashi (drums, lead vocals, occasional keyboards) and Ryuichi Sakamoto (keyboards, ...
(YMO). Controversy reared again, with claims that the album cover and title concept had been stolen from the San Francisco noise/punk band,
Flipper, contemporaries of PiL, whose album, ''
Album
An album is a collection of audio recordings (e.g., music) issued on a medium such as compact disc (CD), Phonograph record, vinyl (record), audio tape (like 8-track cartridge, 8-track or Cassette tape, cassette), or digital distribution, dig ...
'', featured a similarly unadorned sleeve. Flipper retaliated by naming their next album, ''Public Flipper Limited''.
To tour ''Album'' in 1986, Lydon recruited former
Magazine
A magazine is a periodical literature, periodical publication, print or digital, produced on a regular schedule, that contains any of a variety of subject-oriented textual and visual content (media), content forms. Magazines are generally fin ...
and
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Siouxsie and the Banshees ( ) were a British Rock music, rock band formed in London in 1976 by vocalist Siouxsie Sioux and bass guitarist Steven Severin. Post-punk pioneers, they were widely influential, both over their contemporaries and later ...
guitarist
John McGeoch, world music multi-instrumentalist (and former
Damned guitarist)
Lu Edmunds, bassist Allan Dias, and former
the Pop Group and
the Slits
The Slits were a punk/post-punk band based in London, formed there in 1976 by members of the groups the Flowers of Romance and the Castrators. The group's early line-up consisted of Ari Up (Ariane Forster) and Palmolive (a.k.a. Paloma Rom ...
drummer
Bruce Smith. (Dias had previously played with
David Lloyd and
Andrew Edge in
Uropa Lula).
As the years went on, PiL's line-up grew steadier as the sound of the albums drifted toward dance culture and drum-oriented pop music. Edmunds left due to
tinnitus
Tinnitus is a condition when a person hears a ringing sound or a different variety of sound when no corresponding external sound is present and other people cannot hear it. Nearly everyone experiences faint "normal tinnitus" in a completely ...
in 1988, and Smith left in 1990. McGeoch and Dias were members of PiL from 1986 until 1992, making them the group's longest-running members besides Lydon.
1987–1992: Later career
PiL released the studio album ''
Happy?'' in 1987, and during early 1988 were the supporting act on
INXS
INXS (a phonetic play on "in excess") were an Australian rock band, formed as the Farriss Brothers in 1977 in Sydney. The founding members were bassist Garry Gary Beers, main composer and keyboardist Andrew Farriss, drummer Jon Farriss, gu ...
' ''
Kick
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'' tour in the US. Bill Laswell, who produced PiL's previous studio album, was at one point supposed to produce ''Happy?'', but this idea fell through allegedly because Laswell wanted to replace the PiL line-up with his own session musicians (as had been the case with ''Album''), a request to which John Lydon would not agree. ''Happy?'' was ultimately produced by
Gary Langan
Gary Michael Langan (born 19 April 1956) is an English engineer, record producer, mixer and musician.
Biography
Langan's career started at age 18 when he worked as an assistant engineer at Sarm East Studios, learning the craft from Gary Lyons ...
and PiL. The album produced the single "Seattle" as well as the abortion-themed single "The Body", a sequel of sorts to the similarly titled Sex Pistols song "
Bodies". In 1989, PiL toured with
New Order and
the Sugarcubes
The Sugarcubes () were an Icelandic alternative rock band from Reykjavík formed in 1986 and disbanded in 1992. For most of their career, the band consisted of Björk Guðmundsdóttir (vocals, keyboards), Einar Örn Benediktsson (vocals, trumpe ...
as "The Monsters of Alternative Rock". PiL's seventh studio album, ''
9'' – so called as it was the band's ninth official album release, including the two live albums – appeared in early 1989 and featured the single "
Disappointed". The album was produced by
Stephen Hague (who was known for working with the
Pet Shop Boys
Pet Shop Boys are an English synth-pop duo formed in London in 1981. Consisting of vocalist Neil Tennant and keyboardist Chris Lowe, they have sold more than 100 million records worldwide and were listed as the most successful duo in UK music h ...
and New Order), Eric "E.T." Thorngren and the band.
In 1990, Public Image Ltd's song "The Order of Death" (from ''This is What You Want... This is What You Get'') was prominently featured in
Richard Stanley's film ''
Hardware''. That same year saw the release of PiL's first compilation album ''
The Greatest Hits, So Far'', which featured one new song, the environmentally themed single "Don't Ask Me". The rest of the album consisted of previously released material, though remixes of several songs were used rather than original album versions and the album remake of "This is Not a Love Song" was included rather than the original single version. Lydon claims that he wanted the album to be 28 tracks long; the eventual 14-track listing was a compromise with Virgin Records (who, according to Lydon, originally wanted only eight tracks). The compilation, which boasted album-sleeve artwork by
Reg Mombassa, made No. 20 on the
UK Albums Chart
The Official Albums Chart is the United Kingdom's industry-recognised national record chart for album, albums. Entries are ranked by sales and audio streaming. It was published for the first time on 22 July 1956 and is compiled every week by the O ...
.
PiL's last studio album of this period, 1992's ''
That What Is Not'', included a
sample from the Sex Pistols' song
"God Save the Queen" in the song "Acid Drops" (the younger Lydon's voice is heard chanting the words, "No future, no future..." in the outro). Lydon disbanded the group a year later after Virgin Records refused to pay for the tour supporting the album, and Lydon had to pay for it out of his own pocket. The band's last concert was performed on 18 September 1992 with the line-up of Lydon, McGeoch, Ted Chau (guitar, keyboards),
Mike Joyce of
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(drums), and
Russell Webb (bass guitar). Allan Dias, PiL's bassist since the spring of 1986, quit the band in the summer of 1992, some months before PiL itself went on hiatus.
Hiatus
In 1993, Lydon worked on his memoirs, first published in 1994 as ''
Rotten: No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs'', and in 1996 he regrouped with
Steve Jones,
Glen Matlock
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and
Paul Cook for the Sex Pistols' Filthy Lucre Tour. Lydon released a solo studio album, ''
Psycho's Path'', in 1997. 1999 saw the release of the 4-disc PiL compilation ''
Plastic Box''; it offered a more comprehensive retrospective of PiL's recorded output than the single-disc ''The Greatest Hits, So Far''. ''Plastic Box'' contained a mixture of previously released and unreleased material spanning PiL's entire career, although no material from ''Commercial Zone'' or PiL's two live albums was included (in the compilation's liner notes, Lydon wrote that "this collection represents a comma not a full stop, I fully intend to carry on with PiL, and there will be more in the future.").
2009–present: Reunion and new albums

In September 2009 it was announced that PiL would reform for five UK shows, their first live appearance in 17 years. Lydon financed the reunion using money he earned doing a UK TV commercial for Country Life butter. "The money that I earned from that has now gone completely – lock stock and barrel – into re-forming PiL," said Lydon.
On 15 October 2009, Lydon registered the private limited company ''PIL Twin Limited'' as his new music publishing company in the UK.
The new line-up (consisting of Lydon, earlier members
Bruce Smith and
Lu Edmonds, plus multi-instrumentalist
Scott Firth) played to generally positive reviews in late 2009, coinciding with the 30th anniversary of ''
Metal Box''. However, protested Lydon, "This tour is absolutely nothing to do with an anniversary of anything… We didn't even know that
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were planning on releasing a very limited edition of ''Metal Box'' because they never bothered to confer with us." The tour spawned a live album, ''ALiFE 2009''.
In April 2010, PiL began an extensive North American tour, including a sub-headlining appearance at the
Coachella Festival. The band played several European concerts in July 2010 and at the
Summer Sonic Festival in Japan in August 2011.
In November 2009, Lydon said PiL might re-enter the studio if they could raise enough money from their December tour or from a record company.
Over the years, Lydon has consistently been a staunchly committed, vocal and active supporter of the state of Israel : PiL went to
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History
On 15 February 1864, ...
Music Conference 2010 Festival in August 2010. The group met with criticism for breaking the
artistic boycott of Israel by some British musicians organized in protest over Israeli policies toward Palestinians. Lydon said in response:
On 30 November 2011, the band's own label ''PiL Official Limited'' was registered as a private limited company in the UK.
PiL released the vinyl-only EP ''One Drop'' in late April 2012, which was eventually made available for streaming. The new 12-track studio album, ''
This is PiL'', followed in May. ''This is PiL'' was the band's first studio album in twenty years.
On 28 July 2015, the band uploaded a promo video for lead single "Double Trouble" from their next studio album, ''
What the World Needs Now...,'' via their
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channel. On 21 August, PiL released the single (backed with "
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''.
In December 2016, the group released super deluxe editions of ''Metal Box'' and ''Album''.
In 2018, a documentary film, ''The Public Image Is Rotten'', was released. Also in 2018, the band
released ''The Public Image is Rotten – Songs from the Heart'', a compilation CD/DVD box set to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the band. It consists of five CDs and two DVDs that include B-sides, rarities, radio sessions, live concerts, 12" mixes and promo videos.
On 9 January 2023, it was announced that the band was one of the six acts chosen to compete in ''
Eurosong 2023'' for the chance to represent
Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest 2023.
They competed with the song "Hawaii", and ultimately finished in 4th place with 18 points. The song, called by the band "the most personal piece of songwriting", was released as a single, and was described as a love letter to Lydon's wife,
Nora Forster.
After her death on 5 April, the band announced their studio album ''
End of World'', released on 11 August, along with a new European tour.
Members
Current members
*
John Lydon
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– lead vocals, keyboards, violin, saxophone (1978–1992, 2009–present)
*
Lu Edmonds – guitar, keyboards, saz, banjo, backing vocals (1986–1988, 2009–present)
*
Scott Firth – bass, keyboards, synthesisers, backing vocals (2009–present)
* Mark Roberts – drums (2025–present)
Discography
Studio albums
* ''
Public Image: First Issue'' (1978)
* ''
Metal Box'' (1979)
* ''
The Flowers of Romance'' (1981)
* ''
This Is What You Want... This Is What You Get'' (1984)
* ''
Album
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'' (1986)
* ''
Happy?'' (1987)
* ''
9'' (1989)
* ''
That What Is Not'' (1992)
* ''
This Is PiL'' (2012)
* ''
What the World Needs Now...'' (2015)
* ''
End of World'' (2023)
References
Bibliography
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* Reynolds, Simon.
Heavy metal: The legacy of PiL and Metal box, Frieze 111 : UK, 2007
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