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''Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire'' is the sixth studio album by Welsh singer
Bonnie Tyler Gaynor Sullivan (née Hopkins; born 8 June 1951), known professionally as Bonnie Tyler, is a Welsh singer who is known for her distinctive husky voice. Tyler came to prominence with the release of her 1977 album '' The World Starts Tonight'' a ...
, released in May 1986, by
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, as the follow-up to her fifth studio album, ''
Faster Than the Speed of Night ''Faster Than the Speed of Night'' is the fifth studio album by Welsh singer Bonnie Tyler. It was released first in Europe on 8 April 1983 and later that year in the US through Columbia Records. Tyler had changed musical direction and soon after ...
'' (1983). Three years in the making, ''Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire'' was executive-produced by
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, who had produced Tyler's previous album. Seven singles were released from the album, with "
Holding Out for a Hero "Holding Out for a Hero" is a song recorded by Welsh singer Bonnie Tyler for the soundtrack to the 1984 film ''Footloose''. It later featured on her sixth studio album, ''Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire'' (1986). The track was produced by Jim S ...
" originally being released two years in advance on the movie soundtrack album ''Footloose''. Tyler's album featured collaborations with songwriters guest artists including
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and
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. ''Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire'' received generally mixed reviews, but was still a commercial success, reaching No. 1 on the Norwegian Albums Chart.


Background and release

Tyler and Steinman had already seen international success with ''
Faster Than the Speed of Night ''Faster Than the Speed of Night'' is the fifth studio album by Welsh singer Bonnie Tyler. It was released first in Europe on 8 April 1983 and later that year in the US through Columbia Records. Tyler had changed musical direction and soon after ...
'' (1983) and its highest charting single "
Total Eclipse of the Heart "Total Eclipse of the Heart" is a song recorded by Welsh singer Bonnie Tyler. It was written and produced by Jim Steinman, and released on Tyler's fifth studio album, ''Faster Than the Speed of Night'' (1983). The song was released as a single b ...
". Steinman wrote four new songs for ''Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire'', two of which were released as singles. The first song to be released was "
Holding Out for a Hero "Holding Out for a Hero" is a song recorded by Welsh singer Bonnie Tyler for the soundtrack to the 1984 film ''Footloose''. It later featured on her sixth studio album, ''Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire'' (1986). The track was produced by Jim S ...
", released in 1984 for the ''Footloose'' soundtrack. The other, "
Loving You's a Dirty Job but Somebody's Gotta Do It "Loving You's a Dirty Job but Somebody's Gotta Do It" is a song performed by Welsh singer Bonnie Tyler and American singer Todd Rundgren, taken from Tyler's sixth studio album, ''Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire'' (1986). Written and produced by ...
", was released as a collaborative single with
Todd Rundgren Todd Harry Rundgren (born June 22, 1948) is an American multi-instrumentalist, singer, songwriter, multimedia artist, sound engineer and record producer who has performed a diverse range of styles as a solo artist and as a member of the band Ut ...
in 1986. Steinman recruited a number of other songwriters for the album, including
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. Steinman told Child that he wanted a song about
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. "I want a special song. The verses have to sound like
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, the B Section has to sound like
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, U2, or
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, and the chorus has to sound like
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," he continued. Child used the verbal guide to write "If You Were a Woman (and I Was a Man)". He also wrote "Lovers Again". "Ravishing" was originally written by Steinman as an instrumental track on ''
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'' (1985), titled "
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's Theme". Tyler also recorded "Under Suspicion" during the album's recording. It was written by herself, her brother Paul Hopkins, and
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. The song was used as the
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to "Loving You's a Dirty Job but Somebody's Gotta Do It".


Critical reception

''Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire'' received generally mixed reviews from
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, with much of the criticism being aimed at
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and hit
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Jim Steinman. Steven Wine criticised the length of the tracks, stating that "only Bonnie Tyler's parents would want to listen to her sing the same song for six minutes, but three of the eight tunes on
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exceed that span." He went on to describe the album as a "bombastic bore", only complimenting one of Steinman's penned songs, "Ravishing". Tom Ford of ''
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'' stated that "although Tyler proves able to do some interesting things, she is outdistanced by the tiresome ponderousness of the material," concluding that "the prissy, self-indulgence here is just too much to stand." Paul Speelman of ''
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'' opined that Tyler and Steinman were "deeply entrenched in a rut", and found the music to be excessive. "There are banks of synthesizers, layers of percussion, dramatic electronic gimmickry and huge production: no wonder poor old Bonnie had to yell to be heard above that lot," he said, praising Tyler's voice. "The fact that she manages to salvage at least a few tracks attests to her vocal fortitude." He argued that the album was a case of over-indulgence, noting the eight minute and thirty-five second length of "Rebel Without a Clue". The album did receive some positive reviews as well. Jerry Spangler of ''
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'' described the album as "a fine collection of tunes with good musical variety and a lot of energy." Doug Stone of
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retrospectively stated that the album "depicts a cool portrait of '80s pomposity", but argued that with the album lacking songs like "Faster Than the Speed of Night" and "Total Eclipse of the Heart" from her previous album, ''Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire'' becomes substandard to ''Faster Than the Speed of Night''. David Hiltbrand of ''
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'' complimented Bonnie Tyler's voice stating that "Tyler's bluesy roar has enough texture to take the gloss off Steinman's heavy pop arrangements", and "Tyler sings only in capital letters and Jim Steinman produces only at a full gallop pace!"


Singles

The album's
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, "
Holding Out for a Hero "Holding Out for a Hero" is a song recorded by Welsh singer Bonnie Tyler for the soundtrack to the 1984 film ''Footloose''. It later featured on her sixth studio album, ''Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire'' (1986). The track was produced by Jim S ...
", had already been released in 1984 as a track on the movie soundtrack album ''Footloose''. Following its initial release, it charted highest in Austria, Canada, Germany and Sweden, peaking at No. 19 in each country, but only No. 96 in the United Kingdom. The song was re-released in 1985 and charted at No. 1 in Ireland and No. 2 in the United Kingdom, where it was certified Silver by the BPI for sales of over 250,000 units. In 1985, Tyler was recruited by
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to record "
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" for the 1984 restoration version of the 1927 German film ''
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''. Following this, "
Loving You's a Dirty Job but Somebody's Gotta Do It "Loving You's a Dirty Job but Somebody's Gotta Do It" is a song performed by Welsh singer Bonnie Tyler and American singer Todd Rundgren, taken from Tyler's sixth studio album, ''Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire'' (1986). Written and produced by ...
", a duet with
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, was released as the second single from ''Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire''; it could not follow the success of "Holding Out for a Hero" or "Here She Comes", but made the Top 10 in Portugal and the Top 40 in Switzerland, France and Belgium. "
If You Were a Woman (And I Was a Man) "If You Were a Woman (And I Was a Man)" is a song recorded by Welsh singer Bonnie Tyler for her 1986 rock album ''Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire''. It was written by Desmond Child and produced by Jim Steinman. Child has since stated that the son ...
" was released as the third single in 1986. It was most successful in France, where it peaked at No. 6 and was certified Silver by the SNEP for sales of over 250,000 units. " Band of Gold" was released as the fourth single from the album, and the last to chart, reaching No. 81 in the United Kingdom. The last three single releases – "No Way to Treat a Lady", "Rebel Without a Clue"(made only number 162) and "Lovers Again" – failed to chart worldwide.


Track listing


Credits and personnel

Credits adapted from AllMusic: Technical and production *Larry Alexander – mixing *Nelson Ayres – assistant engineer *
Roy Bittan Roy J. Bittan (born July 2, 1949) is an American musician best known as a long-time member of Bruce Springsteen's E Street Band. Nicknamed "The Professor", Bittan joined the E Street Band in 1974. He plays the piano, organ, accordion and synthe ...
– arrangement, associate producer *
Greg Calbi Gregory Calbi (born April 3, 1949) is an American mastering engineer at Sterling Sound, New Jersey. Biography Greg Calbi was born on April 3, 1949, in Yonkers, New York, and raised in Bayside, Queens, New York. He graduated in 1966 from Bisho ...
– mastering *
Rory Dodd Rory Dodd (born Port Dover, Ontario, Canada) is a Canadian rock vocalist who has performed many songs written by Jim Steinman. He is probably best known for singing as the duet voice (the "Turn around, bright eyes" lyrics) on Bonnie Tyler's versi ...
– arrangement, vocal arrangement *
Neil Dorfsman Neil Dorfsman (born May 31, 1952) is an American sound engineer and record producer, best known for his work with Dire Straits, Bruce Hornsby, Mark Knopfler, Paul McCartney and Sting. He won Grammy Awards for Best Producer for Bruce Hornsby's ''S ...
– mixing *Greg Edward – mixing *
Larry Fast Lawrence Roger Fast (born December 10, 1951) is an American synthesizer player and composer. He is best known for his 1975–1987 series of synthesizer music albums (''Synergy'') and for his contributions to a number of popular music acts, inclu ...
– associate producer, programming *
Ellen Foley Ellen Foley (born 1951) is an American singer and actress who has appeared on Broadway and television, where she co-starred in the sitcom ''Night Court'' for one season. In music, she has released five solo albums but is best known for her collab ...
– vocal arrangement * John Jansen – associate producer, mastering consultant *Don Ketteler – production coordination *
Tom "Bones" Malone Thomas "Bones" Malone (born June 16, 1947) is an American jazz musician, arranger, and producer. As his nickname implies, he specializes on the trombone but he also plays saxophone, trumpet, tuba, flute, and bass guitar. He has been a member of ...
– horn arrangement *Sir Arthur Payson – mixing *Steve Rinkoff – engineering *John Rollo – associate producer, engineering *
Todd Rundgren Todd Harry Rundgren (born June 22, 1948) is an American multi-instrumentalist, singer, songwriter, multimedia artist, sound engineer and record producer who has performed a diverse range of styles as a solo artist and as a member of the band Ut ...
– vocal arrangement *
John Philip Shenale John Philip Shenale (often mentioned as Phil Shenale) is a Canadian composer, arranger, musician and producer based in Los Angeles. Background Shenale was born in Canada in 1951. His family relocated to the United States in the late-1950s ...
– producer *Joe Stefko – drum programming *
Jim Steinman James Richard Steinman (November 1, 1947 – April 19, 2021) was an American composer, lyricist and record producer. He also worked as an arranger, pianist, and singer. His work included songs in the adult contemporary, rock, dance, pop, mus ...
– arrangement, direction, producer *
Eric Troyer Eric Lee Troyer (born 10 April 1949) is an American keyboardist, singer, songwriter, and occasional guitarist, best known as a member of ELO Part II and its successor The Orchestra. Troyer was a founding member of ELO Part II, having been rec ...
– vocal arrangement Instruments *Roy Bittan – piano,
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*Jimmy Bralower – drums,
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*
Michael Brecker Michael Leonard Brecker (March 29, 1949 – January 13, 2007) was an American jazz saxophonist and composer. He was awarded 15 Grammy Awards as both performer and composer. He was awarded an Honorary Doctorate from Berklee College of M ...
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*
Hiram Bullock Hiram Law Bullock (September 11, 1955 – July 25, 2008) was an American guitarist known mainly for playing in jazz funk and jazz fusion, but he also worked as a session musician in a variety of genres. Biography Bullock was born in Osaka, Jap ...
– guitar *Steve Buslowe – bass guitar *Larry Fast – synthesizer *
Tom "Bones" Malone Thomas "Bones" Malone (born June 16, 1947) is an American jazz musician, arranger, and producer. As his nickname implies, he specializes on the trombone but he also plays saxophone, trumpet, tuba, flute, and bass guitar. He has been a member of ...
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* Eddie Martinez – guitar *
Sid McGinnis Sidney Foster "Sid" McGinnis (born October 6, 1949) is an American musician and guitarist, best known for his work on the CBS television show ''Late Show with David Letterman'', as part of the CBS Orchestra. The Pittsburgh-born guitarist made hi ...
– guitar *
Lenny Pickett Lenny Pickett (born April 10, 1954) is an American saxophonist and musical director of the ''Saturday Night Live'' band. From 1973 to 1981 he was a member of Tower of Power. He is known for his skill in the altissimo register (executed by using ...
– saxophone *
Jim Pugh Jim Pugh (born February 5, 1964) is a former professional tennis player from the United States. He grew up in Palos Verdes, California and at age 10 began taking tennis lessons from John Hillebrand. He played tennis at UCLA. He became a doubl ...
– trombone *
Alan Rubin Alan Rubin (February 11, 1943 – June 8, 2011), also known as Mr. Fabulous, was an American musician. He played trumpet, flugelhorn, and piccolo trumpet. Early life and education Rubin was born in Brooklyn. He began attending Juilliard Sc ...
– trumpet *
John Philip Shenale John Philip Shenale (often mentioned as Phil Shenale) is a Canadian composer, arranger, musician and producer based in Los Angeles. Background Shenale was born in Canada in 1951. His family relocated to the United States in the late-1950s ...
– synthesizer *Sterling Smith – drums, piano, synthesizer *
Lew Soloff Lewis Michael Soloff (February 20, 1944–March 8, 2015) was an American jazz trumpeter, composer, and actor. Biography From his birth place of New York City, United States, he studied trumpet at the Eastman School of Music and the Juilliard Sc ...
– trumpet *David Taylor –
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*
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– drums *
Art Wood Arthur Wood (7 July 1937 – 3 November 2006) was a British blues, pop and rock singer, who led The Artwoods in the 1960s and subsequently became a graphic artist. He was the brother of Ronnie Wood of The Rolling Stones. Life Born in 1937, ...
– drums Visuals and imagery *
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– concept, photography *Rick Haylor – hair stylist *Roslav Szaybo – designing Vocals *Bonnie Tyler – vocal *
Tawatha Agee Tawatha Agee (born November 14, 1954) is an American backing vocalist and songwriter. Her voice has been described in ''The New York Times'' as an "acrobatic, gospel-charged soprano." She was the lead singer of funk and soul band Mtume; her soulf ...
– background vocal *
Rory Dodd Rory Dodd (born Port Dover, Ontario, Canada) is a Canadian rock vocalist who has performed many songs written by Jim Steinman. He is probably best known for singing as the duet voice (the "Turn around, bright eyes" lyrics) on Bonnie Tyler's versi ...
– background vocal *Curtis King – background vocal *Cindy Mizelle – background vocal *
Todd Rundgren Todd Harry Rundgren (born June 22, 1948) is an American multi-instrumentalist, singer, songwriter, multimedia artist, sound engineer and record producer who has performed a diverse range of styles as a solo artist and as a member of the band Ut ...
– featured artist, background vocal *
Holly Sherwood Holly Sherwood is an American rock vocalist, best known for her work with Jim Steinman, providing both lead and backing vocals. Acting career At the age of three, Holly Sherwood began her professional career as the star of Procter and Gamble's " ...
– background vocal *Eric Troyer – background vocal


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References

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