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''Seventeen Seconds'' is the second studio album by English rock band
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, released on 18 April 1980 by
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. The album marked the first time frontman Robert Smith co-produced with
Mike Hedges Mike Hedges (born 1953) is a British audio producer/engineer best known for his work with The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and Manic Street Preachers. During his career, Hedges has worked with an eclectic roster of artists ranging from r ...
. After the departure of original bassist Michael Dempsey, Simon Gallup became an official member along with keyboardist Matthieu Hartley. The single "
A Forest "A Forest" is a song by the English rock band The Cure. Co-produced by Mike Hedges and the band's Robert Smith, it was released as a single from the band's second album '' Seventeen Seconds'' on 28 March 1980. It was their debut entry on the ...
" was the band's first entry in the top 40 of the
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.


History

At the end of the Cure's 1979 UK tour supporting Siouxsie and the Banshees, Robert Smith spoke less and less with bassist Michael Dempsey. Early versions of "Play for Today" and "M" had been performed at a few concerts, but Dempsey did not like the new musical direction that Smith wanted to take. Smith commented: "I think the final straw came when I played Michael the demos for the next album and he hated them. He wanted us to be XTC part 2 and – if anything – I wanted us to be the Banshees part 2. So he left". Playing guitar with the Banshees for two months and learning their songs opened up another horizon to Smith. "It allowed me to think beyond what we were doing. I wanted to have a band that does what Steven Severin and Budgie do, where they just get a bassline and the drum part and
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wails". The records to which Smith was frequently listening during the composition of the album were '' Five Leaves Left'' by Nick Drake, ''
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'' by Jimi Hendrix, '' Astral Weeks'' by
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and '' Low'' by
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. Smith wrote the lyrics and music for most of the record at his parents' home, on a Hammond organ with a built-in tape recorder. Interviewed in 2004, producer
Mike Hedges Mike Hedges (born 1953) is a British audio producer/engineer best known for his work with The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and Manic Street Preachers. During his career, Hedges has worked with an eclectic roster of artists ranging from r ...
did not recall any demo tracks, with the band generally playing the track in the studio before laying down a backing track to which overdubs were added. Two members of
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, bass guitarist Simon Gallup and keyboardist Matthieu Hartley, were added to the band's lineup. Gallup replaced Dempsey, which relieved Smith as he felt Dempsey's basslines were too ornate. Hartley's synth work added a new dimension to the band's newly ethereal sound, although he would later clash with Smith over complexity; Hartley enjoyed complex chords but Smith wanted single notes. Money was short, so the album was recorded and mixed in seven days on a budget of between £2,000 and £3,000, which resulted in the band working 16 or 17 hours a day. Smith stated that as a result, the track "The Final Sound", which was planned to be much longer, was cut down to 53 seconds because the tape ran out while recording and band could not record it again. The album, mostly a collection of downbeat tracks, features ambient echoing vocals with the sonic direction driven by its drum sound.


Musical style

Retrospectively, ''Seventeen Seconds'' has been considered an early example of gothic rock. Its "gloomscapes" are considered to be "a sonic touchstone" for the forthcoming movement. The track "The Final Sound" is "so positively gothic you could almost be fooled into believing that it was lifted from the soundtrack of some
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gorefest". The album has also been described as new wave and
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.


Release and reissue

''Seventeen Seconds'' was released on 18 April 1980. It reached No. 20 on the British album charts. The record was repackaged in the US in 1981 (on the A&M label) with ''
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'' as ''Happily Ever After'', available as a double LP. In 2005, the album was remastered as part of Universal's Deluxe Edition series, featuring bonus live tracks and demos as well as studio material by Cult Hero, a 1970s-style progressive rock band along the lines of Easy Cure that featured Smith's postman Frank Bell as lead singer. ''Seventeen Seconds'' charted in the United States for the first time in September 2020, when it debuted at No. 186 on the ''Billboard'' 200 album chart.


Reception and legacy

The album's songs have been described by critics as featuring vague, often unsettling lyrics and dark, spare, minimalistic melodies. Some reviewers, such as
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of ''
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'', felt that ''Seventeen Seconds'' represented a far more mature Cure, who had come very far musically in less than one year. Ian Cranna of '' Smash Hits'' wrote that the band were creating more ambitious music, while still retaining their "powerful melodic intensity".
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'' was less enthusiastic, viewing the album as "a sidewards step" rather than a progression; he found the material "biteless, a bit distant", showcasing a "reclusive, disturbed Cure, sitting in cold, dark, empty rooms, watching clocks". Simon Reynolds said the album was "translucent-sounding", with shades of
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writer Chris True said that while ''Seventeen Seconds'' had come to be largely overlooked in later years apart from its single "
A Forest "A Forest" is a song by the English rock band The Cure. Co-produced by Mike Hedges and the band's Robert Smith, it was released as a single from the band's second album '' Seventeen Seconds'' on 28 March 1980. It was their debut entry on the ...
", it nonetheless represented an important development for the Cure, capturing them becoming "more rigid in sound, and more disciplined in attitude", and anticipating the bleak lyrical themes that would become more apparent on subsequent Cure albums. ''Seventeen Seconds'' was included in the book ''
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''. The authors note: "Like the album's cover art, which is little more than an abstract blur, the bleak, minimalist sound of ''Seventeen Seconds''-era Cure is subtly suggestive." Attention is drawn to the "beguiling bleakness, both in its brief instrumentals and the more pop-oriented tracks (such as the sharp, hook-laden 'Play for Today') that hark back to their earlier work." In 2020, ''
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'' included ''Seventeen Seconds'' in their "80 Greatest albums of 1980" list.


Track listing

Note *The US and UK cassette versions feature different cover art, with some tree branches at left and a reddish blob at the bottom, and have an alternate track order, with "A Forest" appearing as track 2 on Side A, switching places with "Play For Today" appearing as track 2 on Side B:


Personnel

The Cure * Robert Smith – guitars, vocals, production * Matthieu Hartley – keyboards, production assistance * Lol Tolhurst – drums, production assistance * Simon Gallup – bass guitar, production assistance Production *
Mike Hedges Mike Hedges (born 1953) is a British audio producer/engineer best known for his work with The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and Manic Street Preachers. During his career, Hedges has worked with an eclectic roster of artists ranging from r ...
– production, engineering * Chris Parry – production assistance * Mike Dutton - engineering * Nigel Green – engineering assistance * Andrew Warwick – engineering assistance * Andrew Douglas – photography * Bill Smith and the Cure – cover art


Charts


Weekly charts


Year-end charts


Certifications and sales


References


External links


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