Les Thugs were a
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band from France. Their records are distributed in North-America by
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Biography
Early Days and first issue
The founding members of Les Thugs were two brothers, Eric and Christophe Sourice, from
Angers
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,
France
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. The Sourice brothers were teenagers in
1977
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and were influenced by the English punk wave that was sweeping through France. Without knowing how to play any instruments, the band used the
DIY ethic
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. Their first band was founded in 1979, a group called ''IVG''. They then played in the groups ''Dazibao'' and ''Stress'' with Gérald Chabaud, Thierry Méanard and a fifth member (Philippe Brix) as singer.
In April 1983, following the departure of the lead singer, they officially became Les Thugs. The band's name refers to the historical brotherhood of the
Thuggee
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, followers of the goddess
Kali
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, and not directly to the English loan word ''thug''. Eric became the lead singer and the band quickly created its own repertoire, performing its first concerts in bars in Angers and surrounding towns. In July 1984, during a concert in
Juvisy
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, near
Paris
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, Les Thugs met the very young independent label ''
Gougnaf Mouvement'' with whom they decided to release a 45rpm single. ''Frenetic Dancing'', the group's first record, was released in January 1985 by Gougnaf Mouvement. This single includes two tracks ''Night Dance'' and ''Femme Fatale''. Both were recorded in a basement in
Juvisy
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with an 8 track tape recorder. The success of the record was well beyond the expectations of the group: the single, although limited, was internationally distributed and sold more than 3,000 copies. Response to the record in specialized
fanzines was good; the group got reviews in
maximumrocknroll
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in the
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and in
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in England. One hundred copies were sold in
Vinyl Solution
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, a shop and a label in
London
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run by two French
expatriate
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s in England.
Greg Shaw
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, a protagonist in the
California
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n underground scene, put the track ''Femme Fatale'' on the
Bomp! Records compilation ''Battle of Garage''.
European rise
Les Thugs then recorded their first mini-album, Radical Hystery. They were approached by many labels such as New Rose records in France and
Midnight in United States. Eventually the band chose Closer, a French independent label which was more established than Gougnaf Mouvement. The album was released in 1986 and sales were good, with 3,000 copies sold in France and 2,000 abroad.
In 1987 the band left Closer to join the English label
Vinyl Solution
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. The seven tracks on the mini-album ''Electric Troubles'' were recorded in
London
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in July. On November 8, during their first tour of England, they participated in
John Peel's
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on
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.
The year 1988 was mostly occupied by touring throughout Europe. In June their bassist Gerald left the band. He was replaced by the group's roadie, Pierre-Yves Sourice, the younger brother of Eric and Christophe. At the start of the year they released the EP ''Dirty White Race'' in Europe, and on 11 October the French quartet played in
Berlin
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at
Independence days festival. This performance brought them to the attention of the
Seattle
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-based label
Sub Pop. Later,
Jonathan Poneman
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Early life and education
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, founder of the label recalled
"I remember back in 1988, Bruce Pavitt
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History
After brief ...
and I scammed a trip to Berlin with Mudhoney, who were scheduled to play the then state-funded, now defunct Berlin Independence Days music festival. As an unofficial representative of the insurgent American Rock Underground I was pleased to note that most of the European bands that were playing this extravaganza were godawful. Wondering just how horrible it could get, I decided to go check out a French rock band for laffs. Maybe they would play some Mink DeVille
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covers. The band was Les Thugs and they effortlessly blew my shit away."
This meeting resulted in the signing of the group to Sub Pop, who started to distribute the band's catalog in North America. During the summer of 1989 the group performed a two-month tour in North America in precarious conditions. They played in
Seattle
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with
PIL then toured with
Blood Circus in the USA then with
SNFU
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in
Canada
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, and with
Tad in
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. It was during this time that they crossed paths with
Jello Biafra
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Initially ac ...
.
In the autumn of 1989 they released their first full-length album ''Still Angry, Still Hungry'' in Europe. This album was recorded in
Wales
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during May by
Iain Burgess
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(
Big Black) and then mixed in
Chicago
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. Les Thugs toured in England with
Mega City Four
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, and performed many dates in France, including supporting
Noir Désir
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at the
Olympia in
Paris
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. During 1993 ''Still Hungry, Still Angry'' was made available by Sub Pop in North America under the title of 'Still Angry'.
Wider success
In 1991, in the midst of the
Gulf War
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, the song ''Stop the War'' and the album ''IABF'' were issued in the US by
Alternative Tentacles
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,
Jello Biafra
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Initially ac ...
’s label. Recorded in England, IABF (International Anti-Boredom Front) contains one of the best known tunes of the group: ''I Love You So''. A European tour accompanied the album's release in spring 1991, followed by a US tour of 33 dates in autumn. During this period, for the 10th anniversary of Alternative Tentacles and the hundredth issue of the Californian label, Les Thugs were invited by
Jello Biafra
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Initially ac ...
to contribute to a tribute album for the Dead Kennedys,
Virus 100, alongside
Faith No More,
Sepultura
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and
L7. The band recorded a cover of the
Dead Kennedys
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’ track
Moon Over Marin at
Smart Studios
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in
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with
Butch Vig
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(Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Garbage).
In 1993, they recorded the album ''As Happy As Possible'' in Seattle with
Kurt Bloch
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Bloch is best known as songwriter and lead guitarist of Fastbacks, and is a member of The Young Fresh Fellows.
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(
Mudhoney,
Tad). The album was their best commercial success with 40,000 copies sold worldwide, including 15,000 in both the US and France.
On February 19, 1994, they were the support for
Nirvana
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during their concert in
Neuchâtel in Switzerland. It was one of the last Nirvana concerts before the death of
Kurt Cobain. In May, the Thugs toured in major French theaters, such as (
Le Zenith de Paris), opening for
The Breeders
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.
In 1996, Sub Pop produced the album ''Strike'', recorded by
Steve Albini
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. In May the group performed its last US tour, opening for
Therapy?
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and
Girls Against Boys
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. Despite a good critical reception, the commercial impact of Strike was lower compared to the previous album and the band emerged disappointed by the collaboration with Steve Albini. After this, the group wanted to compose and record a new album as soon as possible.
Decline and separation
In 1997 they changed label again producing ''Nineteen Something'' themselves, which was licensed by
Virgin
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in France and
Sub Pop in the
United States
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. The album was recorded in
Angers
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with
Kurt Bloch
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Music career
Bloch is best known as songwriter and lead guitarist of Fastbacks, and is a member of The Young Fresh Fellows.
Record Production ...
once again. The album showed the band moving towards a more melodic style of rock than the previous albums. For the first time, they sang in French on the track “'”. A tour of 60 dates in France and Switzerland followed the release of the album. It launched with an unpaid gig at
Vitrolles stadium with
Noir Désir
Noir Désir (, "Black Desire") was a French rock band from Bordeaux. They were active during the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s, and have had two albums certified double platinum in France and three certified gold. They have been an influence on n ...
in support of the association “”, stripped of grants by the
National Front (far right political party in France) municipality. Despite again receiving a good critical response and a good start on the American
College Radio Charts, sales of Nineteen Something did not exceed 10,000 copies.
At this point Christophe Sourice decided to leave the band because of internal disagreements. Before ending this part of their career Les Thugs recorded their last album ''Tout doit disparaître'', produced by Christophe Sourice himself. This album was only released on the French market, in 1999. They performed their last tour with 20 dates in France. The band, who had played more than 700 concerts, performed their farewell show at
La Roche-sur-Yon
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History
The town expanded significantly after Na ...
in December 1999.
Brief reformation
In 2008, they played a show in Seattle for the 20th anniversary of the
Sub Pop label, and for some dates in France. This small tour was ironically called the No-Reform Tour.
New band
In 2018, two members (Eric and Pierre-Yves Sourice) launched a new band called
LANE (Love And Noise Experiment) with Pierre-Yves' son, Félix, and two members of another similar band, Daria, the brothers Etienne and Camille Belin. One album was issued in 2019 which gained critical acclaim, "A Shiny Day". "Pictures of A Century" followed in June 2020.
Discography
Demos
* ''Femme Fatale demo'' – 1984
* ''Les Thugs demo'' – 1984
* ''Never Get Older With Les Thugs demo'' – 1988
Singles
* ''Frenetic Dancing'' – Gougnaf Mouvement, 1984
* ''Something's Gone Wrong Again'' – (Included with the
Fanzine Rock Hardi) 1988
* ''Chess & Crimes'' / ''Sunday Time'' –
Sub Pop, 1989
* ''As Happy As Possible'' – Sub Pop, 1993
* ''
K.E.X.P. SESSION 10-07-2008,'' live radio, Seattle - Slow Death, 2011
* ''Birds Of Ill Omen / Motörhead'' - Pitshark Records, 2011
Albums
* ''Radical Hystery'' – 1986
* ''Electric Troubles'' –
Vinyl Solution
Vinyl Solution was a record label of the late 1980s and early 1990s, the offshoot of an independent London-based record store based at 231 Portobello Road (now known as Intoxica Records). The label signed many unconventional acts in a number of unc ...
, 1987
* ''Dirty White Race'' – 1988
* ''Still Angry Still Hungry'' – 1989
* ''I.A.B.F.'' –
Alternative Tentacles
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, 1991
* ''As Happy As Possible'' –
Sub Pop, 1993
* ''Strike'' –
Sub Pop, 1996
* ''Nineteen Something'' –
Sub Pop, 1998
* ''Tout Doit Disparaître'' – Labels, 1999
Compilations
* ''Les Héros Du Peuple Sont Immortels'' – 1985
* ''Raw Cuts Vol. 1 Garage French'' – 1985
* ''Ultraviolette 2 demo'' – 1985
* ''Battle Of The Garage Vol. 4 Tomorrow The World'' – 1986
* ''Eyes On You'' – 1987
* ''Alternative Tentacles
Virus 100'' – 1992
* ''SP 20 Casual Nostalgia Fest'' – 2010
References
External links
*
Les Thugs at Sub Pop
This review is mainly a translation of the French article : Les Thugs
(fr)
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French punk rock groups
French alternative rock groups
Musical groups from Pays de la Loire
Musical groups from Angers