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''A Pagan Place'' is an album released in June 1984 by
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. It was the first Waterboys record with
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as part of the band and also includes
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's first trumpet solo for the band on the track "A Pagan Place". The album shares a title with the book ''
A Pagan Place ''A Pagan Place'' is an album released in June 1984 by The Waterboys. It was the first Waterboys record with Karl Wallinger as part of the band and also includes Roddy Lorimer's first trumpet solo for the band on the track "A Pagan Place". The ...
'', written by Irish novelist
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. According to a post at the official Waterboys forum, Mike Scott, who chose the album name, has never read the book, and neither the album nor the title track share any other similarities with the novel.


Production history

Recording for ''A Pagan Place'' was begun before either the band's first single, "
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", or album, ''
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'', were released. The album comprises two recording sessions. The first, in November 1982 at Redshop Studio in
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, involved Mike Scott,
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and
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. The second session, held September 1983 at Rockfield Studio in
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, included contributions from Wallinger, who had joined the band that year. The four, the early band's core membership, were joined by Lorimer, Tim Blanthorn, and
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, among others, for later overdubbing of the sessions to add full instrumentation to the recordings.


Reception

The album was released in June 1984 (see 1984 in music). Peter Anderson, writing in ''Record Collector'', asserts that there was "unanimous critical acclaim". ''A Pagan Place'' was reissued in 2002 by
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, having been remastered. The reissue included both new tracks from the recording sessions for both ''A Pagan Place'' and from ''The Waterboys'', along with extended versions of tracks from the original release.


Songs

''A Pagan Place'' expanded The Waterboys' treatment of spiritual themes beyond the
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beliefs of "December" from ''The Waterboys''. "A Church Not Made With Hands" is an ode to a woman who "is everywhere and no place / Her church not made with hands". Both "All the Things She Gave Me" and "The Thrill is Gone" discuss the end of a romantic relationship. "Rags" and "Somebody Might Wave Back" discuss despair and optimism in loneliness. Scott's songwriting has been criticized as being overly introspective, and all four tracks contain some element of self-reflection. Wallinger later chose "The Thrill Is Gone" as his favourite Waterboys track that he did not play on. "
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" was released as a single, and became a descriptor of the sound of the album, the preceding debut ''The Waterboys'' and the following album ''
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''. Waterboys chronicler Ian Abrahams described the song as the album's defining track, with New Musical Express' Andrew Collins stating, "What a concept and what an albatross. A lilting anthem with grand cymbal slashes, soulful backing... a lazy, meandering essay." For The Waterboys' gig at London's Town & Country Club in 1985, backing vocals to the song were provided by Sinead O'Connor, marking her first UK live appearance."Strange Boat: Mike Scott & The Waterboys (2007) by Ian Abrahams p. 84 Usage of the term "The Big Music" spread to include other bands with a similar sound. The single included "Bury My Heart" and "The Earth Only Endures". "Bury My Heart", a reference to "
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", is described by Anderson as "a lament to the decimated American Red Indians". "The Earth Only Endures" is a traditional
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song arranged by Scott. "Red Army Blues" first appeared on the twelve-inch single for "December" from ''The Waterboys''. The song is a first-person narrative of the life of a young
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soldier in
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who participates in the
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. The songs are based upon the book '' The Diary of Vikenty Angorov''. The final track of the original release, "A Pagan Place", featuring a trumpet solo from Lorimer, is an ambiguous questioning of the process of Christianising a
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culture. The song "Cathy", included on the album's re-issue, was originally a
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song. Sudden writes about an evening in 1982 when he was staying in Scott's apartment: "Late that night – around midnight – Mike recorded a lead vocal to the backing track for my song, Cathy. We did a quick mix and that was that until twenty years ago icwhen he includes the number on the reissue of his ''A Pagan Place'' album". This 2002 reissue credits Sudden as the song's author.


Track listing

All tracks written by Mike Scott, except "Cathy" on the reissued version of the album. # "Church Not Made with Hands" – 6:05 # "All The Things She Gave Me" – 4:34 # "The Thrill Is Gone" – 4:33 # "Rags" – 5:21 # "Somebody Might Wave Back" – 2:43 # "
The Big Music "The Big Music" is a song from Scottish-Irish folk rock band The Waterboys, which was released in 1984 as the lead single from their second studio album ''A Pagan Place''. The song was written and produced by Mike Scott. The name "Big Music" was ...
" – 4:45 # "Red Army Blues" – 8:06 # "A Pagan Place" – 5:13


Reissue track listing

# "Church Not Made with Hands" – 6:02 # "All the Things She Gave Me" (Unedited) – 5:32 # "The Thrill Is Gone" (Unedited) – 5:30 # "Rags" – 5:20 # "Some of My Best Friends Are Trains" – 6:01 # "Somebody Might Wave Back" – 2:43 # "The Big Music" – 4:46 # "Red Army Blues" – 8:03 # "A Pagan Place" – 5:14 # "The Late Train to Heaven" (Rockfield Mix) – 3:30 # "Love That Kills" (Instrumental) – 6:20 # "The Madness Is Here Again" – 3:59 # "Cathy" (
Nikki Sudden Adrian Nicholas Godfrey (19 July 195626 March 2006), known professionally as Nikki Sudden, was a prolific English singer-songwriter and guitarist. He co-founded the post-punk band Swell Maps with his brother, Epic Soundtracks, while attending So ...
) – 2:35 # "Down Through the Dark Streets" – 9:03


Personnel

* Mike Scott –
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,
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, Danelectro Bellzouki electric 12-string guitar,
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, bass *
Anthony Thistlethwaite Anthony "Anto" Thistlethwaite (born 31 August 1955, Lutterworth, Leicestershire, England) is a British multi-instrumentalist best known as a founding member (with guitarist Mike Scott) of the folk rock group, The Waterboys and later as a long ...
 –
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, bass,
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*
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 –
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*
Karl Wallinger Karl Edmond De Vere Wallinger (born 19 October 1957, Prestatyn, Wales) is a Welsh musician, songwriter and record producer. He is best known for leading the band World Party and for his mid-1980s stint in the Waterboys. He also wrote and origi ...
 – piano, organ,
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,
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*
Roddy Lorimer Roddy Lorimer (born 19 May 1953) is a Scottish musician who plays trumpet and flugelhorn. He has performed with a wide array of artists, including Blur, Gene, the Rolling Stones, Draco Rosa, the Who, the Style Council, Eric Clapton, Suede, ...
 –
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* Tim Blanthorn –
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* Barbara Snow *
Eddi Reader Sadenia "Eddi" Reader MBE (born 29 August 1959) is a Scottish singer-songwriter, known for her work as frontwoman of Fairground Attraction and for an enduring solo career. She is the recipient of three BRIT Awards. In 2003, she showcased the wo ...
* T.V. Smith * Ingrid Schroeder * Nick Linden ;Technical * Stephen W Tayler – mixing on tracks 2,4,6,7,9 *Jim Preen, John Brand, Richard Digby Smith, Stephen W Tayler, Ted Sharp - engineer *Sheila Rock - photography Notes: * Credits taken from the back cover of the original release. * A bellzouki is a type of electric 12-string guitar made by
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. * Barbara Snow plays
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on 'All The Things She Gave Me'. *
Eddi Reader Sadenia "Eddi" Reader MBE (born 29 August 1959) is a Scottish singer-songwriter, known for her work as frontwoman of Fairground Attraction and for an enduring solo career. She is the recipient of three BRIT Awards. In 2003, she showcased the wo ...
, T.V. Smith and Ingrid Schroeder sing backing vocals on various tracks. * On the original release, Nick Linden played bass on 'All The Things She Gave Me'. He plays on several other tracks on the extended reissue.


Notes and references


External links


Lyrics at mikescottwaterboys.com
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