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''Thought 'Ya Knew'' is the second solo studio album by American singer-songwriter
CeCe Peniston Cecilia Veronica "CeCe" Peniston (; born September 6, 1969) is an American singer and former beauty queen. In the early 1990s, she scored five number one hits on the U.S. ''Billboard'' Hot Dance Music/Club Play. Her signature song " Finally" re ...
, released on January 10, 1994, by
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, and on February 10 in Japan. For this album, Peniston once again collaborated with Chicago-based producer
Steve "Silk" Hurley Steve W. "Silk" Hurley (born November 9, 1962), also known as J. M. Silk (for "Jack Master Silk"), is an American club DJ, house music producer, and songwriter. From 1985 to 1988, he had four top-10 singles on the US Dance chart, including th ...
, along with other producers
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and
Kenneth Karlin Kenneth Karlin or just Karlin (born September 18, 1966) is a Danish songwriter and producer who is best known for his work with Carsten Schack, better known as Soulshock, forming the Los Angeles-based producer duo Soulshock & Karlin. They have wo ...
(better recognized as duo
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) from Denmark,
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,
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, and on one track ("Forever in My Heart") also with the multiple
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-nominee
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. Deciding not to get pigeonholed into the dance genre, Peniston recorded several ballads for the album, trying to move into an R&B direction. Unlike its predecessor '' Finally'', Peniston's second album was, therefore, a calculated mixture of pop ballads and R&B beats, though incorporating also other genres, such as
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(" I'm in the Mood"),
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( I'm Not Over You"),
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("Through Those Doors") and
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(" I Will Be Received"). The album received generally mixed reviews from music critics, and commercially, it proved to be a moderate success. Debuting on February 12, 1994, at number 102 on the ''Billboard'' 200, the album reached its peak a week later at number ninety-six, while spending nineteen weeks on the US chart in total. Overseas, the album entered the
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at number thirty-one, but charted for only two weeks there. Other territories included
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(at number thirty-two),
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(at number sixty-six),
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(at number sixty-nine), and
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(at number ninety-two). Four official singles were released from the album, three of which entered the ''Billboard'' Hot 100, as well as the UK Singles Chart. All of them became successful on the dance chart, bringing Peniston two additional number one hits on the US
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. In Japan, the album was shortly followed by '' Remix Collection'', which featured alternate versions of songs issued on singles. It was reissued in Japan on September 11, 1996. The album was not accompanied by a worldwide tour.


Critical reception

''Thought 'Ya Knew'' received mainly mixed reviews. In terms of artistic achievement, dancefloor potential or chart performance, the album did not match the success of Peniston's debut album, '' Finally''. Jose F. Promis from
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, however, blamed the record label A&M for marketing the artist to an R&B audience, which he called the "big mistake". Giving the album three (out of five) stars, he highlighted especially " Hit by Love" as the song closer in spirit to Peniston's early dance hits, but he admitted that by that time of the single's release its "steam had worn off". ''
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'' magazine wrote, "Miscast in the role of dance diva, singer's best work is grounded in
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/R&B-oriented grooves, both up- and midtempo." Both critics, Martin Johnson from ''
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'' and Johnny Huston from ''
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'' agreed that the album's low points occurred on its ballads and that Peniston faltered on slower numbers. (Johnson also added that even
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, who redefined the urban contemporary ballad, "would have trouble breathing life into them"). While Huston noticed
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-influenced vocal stylings (on "Through Those Doors"), Johnson recalled young
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and stressed the pungent lower registers of the singer's voice (on "
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"). ''
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'' magazine found the album's problem in Peniston's big-time pop success and her new need to be seen more serious than just a dance-music artist. Calling ballads ''"the ballads from hell"'', the magazine reproached that all the slow stuff did was focus on Peniston's vocal limitations.


Chart performance

On February 5, 1994, the album entered at number thirty-one (its peak) in the
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, spending two weeks on the chart. Followed by the
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list on February 10, Peniston received her first and her only album chart appearance to date in Japan, at number sixty-six (two charting weeks in total) After two weeks since its release, the album entered the US ''Billboard'' 200 at number one-hundred-two on February 12, 1994. Peaking its top the following week, at number ninety-six on February 19 (nineteen weeks in the chart). On the component, US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart, the album climbed to number twenty (being present for thirty-four weeks in the chart. Later on, the album would be classified as the seventy-first best R&B selling set of 1994.) In Dutch
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, the record started its five weeks long run on February 19, topping its third week at number sixty-nine. In addition, the album cracked the
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on February 20, peaking on March 6 at number thirty-two (three weeks in the chart). And on February 28 also the German
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, reaching at number ninety-two (with three weeks in the chart).


Track listing

Notes * signifies an additional producer * signifies a remix producer


Credits and personnel

*
CeCe Peniston Cecilia Veronica "CeCe" Peniston (; born September 6, 1969) is an American singer and former beauty queen. In the early 1990s, she scored five number one hits on the U.S. ''Billboard'' Hot Dance Music/Club Play. Her signature song " Finally" re ...
– lead vocal, backing vocals, vocal arrangement, executive production * Damon Jones – executive production * Manny Lehman – executive production * Mark Dubuclet – production, mixing, drum programming, programming, keyboards, bass, multi instruments *
Steve "Silk" Hurley Steve W. "Silk" Hurley (born November 9, 1962), also known as J. M. Silk (for "Jack Master Silk"), is an American club DJ, house music producer, and songwriter. From 1985 to 1988, he had four top-10 singles on the US Dance chart, including th ...
– production, arranging, editing, mixing *
David Morales David Morales (; born August 21, 1961) is an American disc jockey (DJ) and record producer. In addition to his production and DJ work, Morales is also a remixer. David Morales has remixed and produced over 500 releases for artists including Mar ...
– production, arranging, percussion, mixing *
Richard Wolf Richard Wolf or Richard Wolff may refer to: *Richard Wolff (speedway rider) (born 1976), Czech motorcycle speedway rider *Rick Wolff (writer) (1951–2023), minor league baseball second baseman, coach, author and sports psychologist *Richard Wolff ...
– production, guitar, drum programming, keyboards * Steven Nikolas – vocal arrangement * Brendon Sibley – vocal arrangement *
Soulshock & Karlin Soulshock & Karlin is a Danish songwriting/production duo, consisting of Carsten Schack and Kenneth Karlin. They have produced many successful songs, including 2Pac's "Do for Love", Monica's " Before You Walk Out of My Life", Whitney Houston's ...
– production, mixing *
Sir Jinx Anthony D. Wheaton (born June 3, 1970), professionally known by his stage name Sir Jinx, is an American hip-hop record producer and rapper from Los Angeles. He is a cousin of multi-platinum producer Dr. Dre. He began his career as a member of th ...
– production *
Andres Levin Andrés Levín is a Venezuelan-born American record producer, bandleader, filmmaker, recording engineer and philanthropist. After several nominations, Levin won a Grammy Award in 2009 for his production of the ''In the Heights'' cast recording. Hi ...
– production * Camus Maré Celli – production * Andrea Martin – backing vocals, talking *
Norma Jean Wright Norma Jean Wright (born July 15, 1950) is an American singer and was the lead vocalist of the American group Chic, a soul, R&B and disco band, from 1977 to 1978. Early life Norma Jean Wright was born in Ripley, Tennessee. At young age, she relo ...
– backing vocals * Kymberli Armstrong – backing vocals * Myron Glasper – backing vocals * Jackie Gusheyk – backing vocals * Sharon Pass – backing vocals *
Chantay Savage Chantay Savage (born July 16, 1971) is an American R&B/dance singer. She experienced some success in the 1990s on various ''Billboard'' singles charts, one of which was "I Will Survive", a reworking of the Gloria Gaynor hit song. Savage has sc ...
– backing vocals * Katreese Barnes – backing vocals * Sherree Ford-Payne – backing vocals * Faith Wade – choir, chorus * Niomisha Wilson – choir, chorus *
Brian McKnight Brian Kainoa Makoa McKnight Sr. (born Brian Kelly McKnight; June 5, 1969) is an American singer-songwriter, actor, record producer, radio personality, and multi-instrumentalist. An Contemporary R&B, R&B performer, he is recognized for his strong ...
– backing vocals, multi instruments,
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* Rodney Miller – guitar *
David Fiuczynski David Fiuczynski (born March 5, 1964) is an American contemporary jazz guitarist, best known as the leader of the Screaming Headless Torsos and David Fiuczynski's KiF, and as a member of Hasidic New Wave. He has played on more than 95 albums as ...
– guitar * Michael McDonald – guitar * Kamaal – bass * Greg Mull – engineering, mixing * Daryll Dobson – engineering, mixing * Scott Ahaus – engineering, remixing * Doug Michael – engineering * David Sussman – engineering * Steve Weeder – engineering *
Craig Porteils Craig Porteils was an Australian music producer, mixer, audio engineer, composer, songwriter, and guitarist based in Sydney. Biography Career Porteils began his career in the decade of the 1980s, as the guitarist of his own band. However, Por ...
– engineering * John Fundingsland – engineering * Keith Barrios – engineering * Anna Wheaton – engineering * Chris Wood – engineering * Brian Kinkel – engineering * Brad Aldredge – engineering * Victor McCoy – engineering assistance * Brian Young – engineering assistance * Daniel Beroff – engineering assistance * Craig Burbidge – mixing *
Dave Way Dave Way is a Grammy Award winning American producer, mixer and audio engineer based in Los Angeles, California, United States. He has worked with Fiona Apple, Sheryl Crow, Kesha, Pink, Iron And Wine, Fall Out Boy, Al Green, 21 Pilots, Yebba, Vic ...
– mixing * Doug DeAngelis – mixing * Ken Kessie – mixing * Kevin Crouse – mixing assistance * Eric Flickinger – mixing assistance * Eddie Sexton – mixing assistance * Devin Foutz – mixing assistance * Christian Delatour – mixing assistance * Johnny Rogers – keyboards * James Wirrick – keyboards * Fernando Harkless – saxophone * David Wills – drums * Alec Shantzis – programming *
Satoshi Tomiie is a Japanese DJ and record producer. Biography A lifelong student of jazz and classical piano, Satoshi had an influential impact from his very first record. His debut single ‘Tears’, which he co-produced in 1989 with Chicago's ‘Godfather ...
– programming * Terry Burrus – programming * Greg Lawson – drum programming *
Danny Madden Danny Madden is an American R&B singer, who was signed to the record label Giant Records in the 1990s. He scored his only chart hit with the single " Facts of Life," which peaked at number #91 on the US ''Billboard'' R&B chart. It reached #72 ...
– conducting * Bill Ware – vibraphone * C-N-A – multi instruments * Colleen Donahue-Reynolds – production coordination *
Michael Lavine Michael Lavine (born October 13, 1963, San Francisco) is a portrait photographer based in New York City. He grew up in Denver, and graduated from Denver's South High School in 1981. After graduating high school, Lavine headed to the Pacific North ...
– photography


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References

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External links

* {{Authority control 1994 albums CeCe Peniston albums A&M Records albums Albums produced by Steve "Silk" Hurley