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"This Is What She's Like" is a song by
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, released on their third studio album ''
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'' in September 1985 by
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, and in November 1985 as a single. The song is credited to
Kevin Rowland Kevin Rowland (born 17 August 1953) is a British singer and musician best known as the frontman for the pop band Dexys Midnight Runners (currently called Dexys). The band had several hits in the early 1980s, the most notable being " Geno" and " ...
, Billy Adams, and
Helen O'Hara Helen O'Hara (born Helen Bevington; 5 November 1956) is a British musician. She was a member and violinist of Dexys Midnight Runners from 1982 to 1987, including performing on songs such as "Come on Eileen", and in 2021 rejoined the band. Earl ...
, with production by Rowland and
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. The song, inspired by Rowland's relationship with O'Hara, includes spoken conversations between Rowland and Adams. Rather than answering Adams's repeated in-song question about what "she" is like, Rowland contrasts the "she" of the title with people who irritate him, for example those who put creases in their jeans, and members of the
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. The music changes throughout the song, with critics noting an apparent influence of work by
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. The song and album received a mixed critical response, and the single was not a commercial success, peaking at number 78 on the UK Singles Chart.


Composition and lyrical interpretation

The lyrics to "This Is What She's Like" were written by
Kevin Rowland Kevin Rowland (born 17 August 1953) is a British singer and musician best known as the frontman for the pop band Dexys Midnight Runners (currently called Dexys). The band had several hits in the early 1980s, the most notable being " Geno" and " ...
about his relationship with fellow
Dexys Midnight Runners Dexys (known as Dexys Midnight Runners from 1978 to 2011) are an English pop rock band from Birmingham, with soul music, soul influences, who achieved major commercial success in the early to mid- 1980s. They are best known in the UK for their ...
member
Helen O'Hara Helen O'Hara (born Helen Bevington; 5 November 1956) is a British musician. She was a member and violinist of Dexys Midnight Runners from 1982 to 1987, including performing on songs such as "Come on Eileen", and in 2021 rejoined the band. Earl ...
. Rowland told Chris Roberts of '' Uncut'' in 2002 that "I'd fallen for Helen, see, and my brother said, 'I think the Italians have a word for it.' I think it came from ''The Godfather'', when Michael Corleone's walking through Sicily chilling out after he's shot those two guys in that restaurant. I must've liked the ring of it." Rowland claimed in a 2014 interview that "This song literally came to me as I was going off to sleep. Those words – 'What's she like? Tell me what's she like' – and melodies just came. It didn't sound like anything." Rowland started composing "This Is What She's Like" in 1983. He taped vocals one evening, and O'Hara began composing the music, on piano, the following day. It was the first song written for the album ''
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'' (1985). Recording sessions for the album started at
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,
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, Switzerland, in May 1984, with a group of musicians recruited through auditions working with Rowland, O'Hara, Dexys Midnight Runners member Billy Adams, and Nick Gatfield, who had played on the band's live tour in 1982. The initial recording sessions were not productive, and the group returned to the UK, recruiting
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, who had produced the previous Dexy's album ''
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'' (1982), to produce, and using Marquis Studios in London. By the end of 1984, little of the album had been completed. After seeing Tim Dancy drumming at an
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concert, the group sent him demos of songs including "This Is What She's Like", and Dancy agreed to join the sessions. "This Is What She's Like" was completed soon afterwards. The first section of the song consists of a dialogue between Rowland and bandmate Adams, without music. As Rowland explains what "she" is not like, rather than what she is like, the music is soft with elements of folk. At 6 minutes and 50 seconds into the track, the accompanying music has a sound that has been compared to
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, and concludes with brass instrument accompaniment like that found in earlier works by Dexys Midnight Runners. During the conversation, Rowland lists various dislikes, including people who put creases in their jeans, and members of the
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, contrasting them to the titular woman. Throughout the song, despite promises that he will say what she's like, Rowland as narrator does not do so. Sean O'Hagan of ''
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'' said that because of this, the resultant song "sounds like an extended self-parody." Nick Hasted in ''
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'' describes the song as "the ultimate shaggy dog story of inarticulate, unsatisfiable longing", and Daryl Easlea (2011) refers to it as a "mini-opera". Discussing the compilation album '' Let's Make This Precious: The Best of Dexys Midnight Runners'' in 2003, Rowland said "My biggest regret is that 'This Is What She's Like' wasn't a 10-minute single. I think it might have done for Dexys what 'Bohemian Rhapsody' did for Queen." and stated in a 2016 webchat hosted by ''
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'' that he felt that the song was one of the best by Dexys Midnight Runners. In 2004, he said that "These days I wouldn't get so worked up about people with creases in their old Levis".


Critical reception

The song was released on the third Dexys Midnight Runners studio album, ''Don't Stand Me Down'', in September 1985. The album received negative reviews, and Barry Egan of the '' Sunday Independent'' wrote in 1997 that the album was "unanimously reviled" when released, although Easlea (2011) claims that this was not the case. The album (which has been re-released in different versions) has, in the intervening years, been hailed by some critics as a "misunderstood masterpiece", and a "lost Eighties classic". Dave Simpson of ''The Guardian'' described the album as Rowland's equivalent of ''
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''. "This Is What She's Like" has been identified as the centrepiece of ''Don't Stand Me Down'' by several reviewers, including Gavin Martin of ''The Independent'', Simon Price of the same newspaper, in ''The Mojo Collection: The Ultimate Music Companion'' (2007), and in ''
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''. John Kovalic of ''The Capital Times'' regarded the song as the album's highlight, while Davis Niewert of the ''
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'' stated that it was one of only three good tracks on the album. The track was also singled out by Emily Barker for ''NME'', who called the album "music of astonishing ambition". '' Uncut's'' Stephen Trousse, writing in 2012, called the song Rowland's "masterpiece". In the same year, ''
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'' reviewer Neil O'Sullivan described it as Rowland's "most ambitious song". The track was described by Sean O'Hagan as "the single most bizarre escapade yet foisted on an unsuspecting public in the guise of a Dexys song." Simon Mares, in a negative review, called the song a "rambling reprise" of the previous Dexys Midnight Runners album ''Too-Rye-Ay''. Colin Adams of ''
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'' praised the comedy of the song, saying that the opening dialogue was like a sketch from ''
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'', before the song becomes more like a
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play. Taking a contrary view, John Harrison of ''
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'' called the opening of the song "fatuous dialogue" and a waste of time, and also denigrated Rowland's singing. Mares was also critical of the dialogue. Author Gary Mulholland praises the song effusively, and calls it "a work of bloody-minded ambition by a man completely out of time", claiming that he detects influences of the
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, and "deep soul weepies" as well as the Beach Boys on the song. The editors of ''The Mojo Collection'' (2007) also detect a Beach Boys influence and comment that the song "merges opaque dialogue" and a "coda of Stax-style horns". Martin wrote that the track "may be the angriest love song ever written", while Roberts feels that it "triumphs as an exhilarating hymn to romance". Easlea says it was lack of a single release that lead to the album's lack of commercial success, a view shared by Rowland, who had resisted a single being released. In November 1985, various edited versions of the song were released as singles, primarily much shorter edits than the 12-minute album version. The single was dismissed as "ludicrous" by Tom Hibbert in ''
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'' and by Phillipa Hawker in ''
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'' as a "sloppy" attempt to combine "
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" and " Caroline No". Tom Harrison called the song a "strangled floppy rhythm and blues" in ''
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''. The single did not receive much airplay, and reached number 78 in the UK Singles Chart. A video for the song was produced, with footage from location filming in New York (on 1 May 1985) combined with studio-filmed material. The video includes Rowland running down a deserted
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, and has other shots filmed to look as if he is levitating. It was directed by Jack Hazan, who Rowland approached having met during a 1983 interview for French television. Hazan intended the video to have a theme of "love represented as a form of madness."


Live performances

The song was performed on Dexys Midnight Runners' commercially unsuccessful tour in 1985. A review by Robin Denselow in ''The Guardian'' stated that the performance of "This Is What She's Like" was one of a few highlights of a show derailed by Rowland's ill-tempered demeanour. It was next performed live by Dexys Midnight Runners in 2003. Dave Simpson's ''Guardian'' review described how a version of the song lasting nearly twenty minutes received a standing ovation. A positive review of a show by Gavin Martin in ''The Independent'' mentioned that "This Is What She's Like" received the best reaction from the crowd of any song in the set. After a further nine-year break from touring, the band included the song in shows in 2012. Simon Price of ''The Independent'' described an encore performance at the
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as "utterly astonishing" and that when Rowlands asks during the song whether he can express himself, his "outburst of ecstatic laa-laa-laas says more than words ever could." In another review the following year, Price noted that Rowland was performing the song with Pete Williams as co-vocalist, and they were "walk-dancing" in the style of
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during the performance. The song was included in the band's set at
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in 2012. Band member Jim Paterson said in 2014 that live versions were sometimes as long as 22 minutes.


Credits and personnel

Credits as per the inner sleeve of the original album release. ;Musicians *
Kevin Rowland Kevin Rowland (born 17 August 1953) is a British singer and musician best known as the frontman for the pop band Dexys Midnight Runners (currently called Dexys). The band had several hits in the early 1980s, the most notable being " Geno" and " ...
– vocals * Billy Adams – lead guitar, rhythm guitar, vocals *
Helen O'Hara Helen O'Hara (born Helen Bevington; 5 November 1956) is a British musician. She was a member and violinist of Dexys Midnight Runners from 1982 to 1987, including performing on songs such as "Come on Eileen", and in 2021 rejoined the band. Earl ...
– violin, backing vocals * Nicky Gatfield – saxophone, backing vocals *
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– piano * Tim Dancy – drums * Julian Littman – mandolin * Jimmy Paterson – trombone * Tommy Evans – steel guitar * Robert Noble – organ, synthesizer *
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– bass ;Technical *
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, Kevin Rowland – producers * Alan Winstanley – recording * Pete Schwier – mixing * Arun Chakraverty – mastering


Releases


Albums

*''
Don't Stand Me Down ''Don't Stand Me Down'' is the third studio album by English pop band Dexys Midnight Runners, released in September 1985 by Mercury Records. The title of the album was inspired by a line in the album's song "The Waltz". The album was released th ...
'' (1985) *'' The Very Best of Dexys Midnight Runners'' (1991); according to journalist Daryl Easlea, the album sought to position Dexys as a "hit singles band" and the song was "tagged on somewhat begrudgingly at the end." *''Because of You'' (1993) *''
Don't Stand Me Down ''Don't Stand Me Down'' is the third studio album by English pop band Dexys Midnight Runners, released in September 1985 by Mercury Records. The title of the album was inspired by a line in the album's song "The Waltz". The album was released th ...
'' (1997) – re-release on
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, with two extra tracks. Rowland complained in 2002 that "The '97 reissue on Creation was fucked up by the use of a 'stereo enhancer' during mastering – it sounded washy. It cheapened everything." *''Don't Stand Me Down: The Director's Cut'' (2002) Remastered re-release by
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, with additional tracks. *'' Let's Make This Precious: The Best of Dexys Midnight Runners''


Video

*''It Was Like This – Live'' (2004). DVD. Filmed in 2003.


Singles

Various edits were released.


Weekly charts


References


Bibliography

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External links

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