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The Outcasts are an American
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band from
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that released a total of five singles between 1965 and 1967. Their best-known songs are "I'm in Pittsburgh (And it's Raining)", and "1523 Blair". Their recordings have been reissued on a number of
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'' compilation album notes, they are the most recognized band of this name that were active in the mid-1960s, including another popular band from
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(see below for others).


Early history

''The Outcasts'' were formed in San Antonio in late 1963 by Buddy Carson, Rickey Wright and Denny Turner. In late 1964, Jim Carsten and then Jim Ryan joined the band. This line-up prevailed until the band's fifth single, when Galen Niles replaced Denny Turner on guitar. In 1964, Denny designed a logo and slogan for the band, "Music from the OUTER LIMITS", taken from the name of the popular
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television series of the period, '' The Outer Limits''. The band had the logo emblazoned on the backs of their uniforms and also issued business cards with a similar design. Early direction for the band came from
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, whose many later musical credits include producing the first three albums for The First Edition and creating the
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for ''
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'', ''
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'' and many other television series. Post was the songwriter and producer of the band's first single. He also recruited ''the Outcasts'' as the back-up band for a performance by Jimmy Carlson (who was active in the New York folk music scene) and Jimmy Hawkins (who later worked in
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'').


Career

According to member Denny Turner, they had all of the trappings of a successful rock band: a succession of managers (Sally Senter and Major John Carson), go-go dancers, a fan club with a regular newsletter, and adoring fans. Their performances at area military clubs led to gigs as opening act for
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in San Antonio and
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. In 1965, ''The Outcasts'' were even invited to appear in
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with
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. but turned down the opportunity; the Five Americans took their place at the concert. In May 1966, they shared a bill with the 13th Floor Elevators (ticket pictured) and also appeared at Texas Teen Fairs and other venues with such popular acts as
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, Gerry and The Pacemakers,
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and
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.Denny Turner's website, op. cit. ''The Outcasts'' regularly participated in Battle of the Bands competitions, usually placing first or second; in 1966, the band won the competition statewide,Jim Ryan posting, op. cit. at the peak of garage rock fervor, beating the large number of bands that were then active in Texas. (No other state is so heavily collected today in compilation albums of garage rock and psychedelic rock music; as one example, the landmark Highs in the Mid-Sixties series devotes five of their twenty-three volumes to bands from Texas.)


Break-up and further activities

The band dissolved in 1968; founding member Buddy Carson died of complications of hepatitis that same year. *Denny Turner continues to write and record music, and he also sells and repairs vintage guitars for his store called Denny's Guitars, based in northern
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. He is also a multi-media artist and music teacher and has a home recording studio. *Jim Ryan is a public school music teacher in
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who owns and manages Braindance Ink, a multi-lingual music production company specializing in the creation of songs, dances and games based on folk music for music education classes. *Galen Niles was the guitarist in two well-regarded Texas hard rock bands, Homer and Ultra during the 1970s and is still active in music. The Ultra tracks were reissued on Monster Records in 2000 and on Vintage Records in 2010. *Jim Carsten went into law enforcement and was once a county sheriff; he is now a security consultant. *Rickey Wright died in an automobile accident in 2000.


Other bands named the Outcasts

"The Outcasts", with various spelling variants, has been a fairly common name for rock bands for many years; at least 10 bands were using this name during the mid-1960s. This has led to some confusion among these varied groups. One common misconception has to do with the 1960s band The Outcasts from
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, whose recordings were reissued by the same Collectables label, even before they featured the Texas band. In the mid-1980s, Cicadelic Records released three archival albums by the New York group: ''Meet the Outcasts!'' (studio recordings, mostly previously unreleased), ''The Battle of the Bands Live!'' (split release) and ''Live! Standing Room Only'' (a 1967 concert). In 1993, Collectables reissued both albums on CD, with additional songs that include "Society's Child" and "Get It On". Popular recordings (reissued on compilations) of this band are "Don't Press Your Luck", "I Didn't Have to Love Her Anymore", "Nothing But Love", "Set Me Free" and their unique versions of " Walk On By" and "
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". Another band called the Outcasts recorded several tracks backing Linda Pierre King, an artist featured on a compilation of female garage rock artists from Texas, ''We Had the Beat / The Heartbeats & Other Texas Girls of the 60s''. That album's liner notes suggested that the San Antonio band had backed her on these songs, a natural mistake, since King is from Houston, and the
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that released the final single by the Outcasts, Gallant Records, was based there.


Songs

The 1995
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'' I'm in Pittsburgh and It's Raining'' (15 tracks, all the band's music on the Collectables label) omits the band's first single, ''Nothing Ever Comes Easy'' b/w ''Oriental Express''; according to the CD's brief liner notes, it was "not up-to-par with their subsequent releases." Since neither side has yet been issued on a
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, we have only band member Jim Ryan's description: the first is "a very tender, yearning ballad with some nice changes and arrangement by a talented composer ike Post The B-side sa surf instrumental that rocked in fifths to give that Asian sound." ''I'm in Pittsburgh (And it's Raining)'' embodied much of the innocence and charm of garage rock, as well as the less-than-slick production common of the 1960s garage sound. This was the band's most successful single, receiving national airplay and charting locally in San Antonio and also in Houston and Austin, Texas. The opening lyrics – ''I'm in Pittsburgh and it's rainin' / I'm sittin' in the subway here complainin' '' – contain an error of fact (
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does not have a
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system), which cooled off the initial rush of record sales in that city. The title lyric was taken from Mountain's first lines of dialogue in the
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'', the theatrical film version of which had been released three years before the song was composed. This track was included in the first of the Pebbles
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s, where the original
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call this song a "blistering punk-rocker, which has been compared to
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at their best." Numerous bands have released
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s of this song over the years. Perhaps best known is the 1990 cover by The Cynics, from
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; others have been recorded by the Flies, the Vibes and the Go-Devils. The original version of the song was re-pressed in 1977 as a
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in
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, and marketed to new wave fans, with the band name changed to the Kicks. The band's last single, ''1523 Blair'' features a "wind-up" introduction, followed by guitar riffs played at a furious pace, then barely intelligible lyrics, all at a blistering tempo. (The title was taken from the address of the Doyle Jones recording studio in Houston.) One recent reviewer remarked, "The music on this selection is jarringly experimental, the spirit is possessed fervor. '1523 Blair' is one minute and forty seven seconds long because it couldn’t have possibly been any longer". This song inspired the name of a British
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band, Blair 1523 ( Bomp! Records released their lone album in 1993, after the band had already broken up). The Outcasts tried their hand at many styles, from
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s ("Price of Victory"),
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("Sweet Mary"), to instrumentals ("Come on Over" and "The Birds") and romantic ballads ("I'll Set You Free" and "Everyday"). The Outcasts also recorded covers, notably "
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" and "
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Band members

* Denny Turner, ''lead guitar, autoharp'' * Buddy Carson, ''keyboards, harmonica, percussion, vocals'' * Rickey Wright, ''drums'' * Jim Carsten, ''rhythm guitar, vocals'' * Jim Ryan, ''bass guitar, vocals' * Galen Niles, ''lead guitar'' (replacing Denny Turner for the final single)


Discography


The retrospective album

* '' I'm in Pittsburgh and It's Raining''; Collectables Records (#COL-0591); 1995 release on CD


Singles

* "Nothing Ever Comes Easy" b/w "Oriental Express"; Outcast Records * "I'm in Pittsburgh (And it's Raining)" b/w "Price of Victory"; Askel Records * "I'll Set You Free" b/w "Everyday"; Askel Records * "
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" b/w "Everyday"; Askel Records – ''Alternate version of "B" side'' * "1523 Blair" b/w "
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"; Gallant Records


Compilation albums

"I’m in Pittsburgh (And it’s Raining)" is featured on: # ''
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'' (1978 LP, Mastercharge Records) # ''Great Pebbles, Volume 1'' (CD) # ''Texas Punk: 1966, Volume 2'' (LP) # ''Flashback, Volume 2'' (LP) # ''Acid Visions, Volume 6'' (CD) # ''Acid Visions - The Complete Collection, Volume 2'' (CD) # ''Green Crystal Ties, Volume 8'' (CD) # ''Garage Beat '66, Volume 7'' (CD) # ''Uptight Tonight'' (CD) # ''Texas Flashbacks, Volume 2'' (CD)"Searchin' for Shakes", op. cit. "1523 Blair" is featured on: # '' Acid Dreams'' (1979 LP, CD) # ''Mayhem & Psychosis, Volume 2'' (LP) # ''Teenage Shutdown, Volume 4'' (LP and CD) # '' Songs We Taught the Fuzztones'' (1993 LP and CD) # ''Texas Punk Groups From the Sixties, Volume 1'' (LP) # ''Acid Dreams Testament'' (CD, extended version of ''Acid Dreams'') # ''The Complete Acid Dreams'' (box set, extended version of ''Acid Dreams'') # ''Sixties Archives, Volume 2'' (CD) # ''Ya Gotta Have Moxie!, Volume 1'' (CD) – ''this song is marked on the track listing for the CD as “The Chocolate Mousse Theme” by the Chocolate Mousse.'' "I’ll Set You Free" is featured on: # Texas Punk: 1966, Volume 2 (LP) # Acid Dreams Testament (CD) # Acid Visions – The Complete Collection, Volume 2 (CD) # The Complete Acid Dreams (box set) "Everyday" is featured on: #
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(LP) # Acid Visions – The Complete Collection, Volume 2 (CD) "My Love" is featured on: #
Texas Punk, Volume 3 Texas (, ; Spanish: ''Texas'', ''Tejas'') is a state in the South Central region of the United States. At 268,596 square miles (695,662 km2), and with more than 29.1 million residents in 2020, it is the second-largest U.S. state by bo ...
(LP) # Acid Visions, Volume 6 (CD) # Acid Visions – The Complete Collection, Volume 2 (CD) "Sweet Mary" is featured on: # Texas Punk: 1966, Volume 2 (LP) # Acid Visions – The Complete Collection, Volume 2 (CD) "What Price Victory?" #
Texas Punk, Volume 3 Texas (, ; Spanish: ''Texas'', ''Tejas'') is a state in the South Central region of the United States. At 268,596 square miles (695,662 km2), and with more than 29.1 million residents in 2020, it is the second-largest U.S. state by bo ...
(LP) # Acid Visions – The Complete Collection, Volume 2 (CD) "The Birds" is featured on: # Texas Punk: 1966, Volume 2 (LP) # Acid Visions, Volume 6 (CD) # Acid Visions – The Complete Collection, Volume 2 (CD) "Smokestack Lightning" is featured on: # Texas Punk Groups From the Sixties, Volume 1 (LP) # Texas Punk: 1966, Volume 2 (LP) # Endless Journey Phase 1 (LP) #
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(CD) # Acid Visions – The Complete Collection, Volume 2 (CD) # Sixties Archives, Volume 2 (CD) "Route 66" is featured on: # Texas Punk: 1966, Volume 2 (LP) # Green Crystal Ties, Volume 8 (CD) # Acid Visions, Volume 6 (CD) # Acid Visions – The Complete Collection, Volume 2 (CD)


References


External links


Bandmember Jim Ryan's History of the Outcasts
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