As with List of Tor hidden services I don't understand why we would break down by type of site and then have a separate section for "historical" indifferent to type of site. The purpose of these isn't to help people to find Tor sites, it's to help people navigate articles on. There's also the question of how we know a Tor site is up or down and when to believe whether the same site at a different address is actually the same site run by the same people. --— Rhododendrites talk 02:42, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
@Nodove: I reverted this removal of the defunct services from this list. A navbox is typically a navigational aid to allow a reader to find and move through articles on a particular subject, which means it's indifferent to the off-wiki status of its individual items so long as the common thread remains intact. If the navbox were about current or active hidden services, that's one thing, but those kinds of variable content navboxes are really rare. Creating another navbox wouldn't work since there's a total overlap with this one, and renaming this one wouldn't work because there's no navigational benefit to limiting its scope as such. --— Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:17, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
should a navbox contain multitudes- If the number of entries becomes too large, the navbox is no longer useful. There are few enough notable hidden services that I don't foresee that becoming a problem for a long, long time. In fact this navbox feels a little sparse. What we need are a few more international police raids to get some press coverage for new ones :) The reason this navbox works (and any navbox works) is that the scope is clear and list reasonably short. Lots of navboxes could theoretically become overburdened: retired NBA team numbers, presidents of the United States, etc. When they become too cumbersome, we have a discussion and figure out how best to proceed. List of Tor hidden services, like those other two examples, is far, far away from that.
what about adding tens of thousands of defunct company names to every business wiki page- You say this as though businesses all have a "list of businesses" navbox such that they would all list each other. But navboxes are navigational aids for articles, not the yellow pages, so once a business is a pet store, it's always a pet store. If there's a navbox for pet stores without a qualifier in the name (pet store chains, current pet stores, etc.) it would include the defunct one. --— Rhododendrites talk \\ 04:58, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Defunct is dated material- If a subject is notable, it's considered notable forever. doesn't place any extra value on what is present or current. A page's value within a category is not tied to whether or not it is presently online. This is why I object to specifying "defunct" at all (it's the result of a past compromise). Not only that, but websites like hidden services, torrent indexes, etc. are so prone to going up, down, moving, being hijacked, etc. that it's incredibly hard to even determine whether something is Current or Defunct (defunct implying it will not be returning).
it's already listed in the List of Tor hidden services page as defunct- The list article is probably a better place to specify that it's defunct (again, I don't like the notes in the navbox personally), but that's because they serve different purposes. That doesn't mean one covers X and one covers Y but that the list is an encyclopedic list of notable hidden services while the navbox is purely a navigational aid. And then categories are their own thing, too. (WP:NOTDUP) --— Rhododendrites talk \\ 05:08, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
@Deku-shrub: Not so sure I agree with moving Darkode from markets to social media [and forums]. Most of the sources I saw focus on it being a venue for buying/selling/trading/bartering hacking services rather than a place for discussion. I don't doubt the latter happened, and the structure of the site may be that of a forum, but if we're going to classify it as one or the other it seems like the sources talk about it as a market most? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:16, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
We can't go on maintaining all three, I say it's content from this template that gets the chop as it will scale least well. I am trying to thinking a slimmed-down alternative use though. Deku-shrub (talk) 20:47, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
I removed the "(defunct)" labels from the template the other day.
Navigational templates are just that -- navigational. They help readers to find articles on a particular topic. Navigational templates are not intended to communicate additional information about each individual subject beyond the minimum necessary to organize the template. Adding additional text like (defunct), or (year it opened), or (name of the founder), etc. isn't appropriate for the template -- that's one of the differences between templates and list articles like List of Tor hidden services. As is an encyclopedia, its priority is not to help users access these sites or serve as a directory of active sites -- we only summarize notable subjects, regardless of whether they're active.
An unregistered user reverted me, with edit summary 'so perhaps use "closed" rather than "defunct" to indicate most commerce sites are non-functional'. This seems to miss the point, but I'll bring it up here rather than removing again. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:44, 22 July 2017 (UTC)