Bear with me on this one guys, I'm still trying to work out the kinks with this template and figure out how I want it laid out. I'd love some input or assistance on developing this template! :-) Bali88 (talk) 18:54, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- We really should have a category for Coed Service Fraternities (alongside the other types already having rows in the Template, such as Social, Historically Black, Native American, etc.). As a member of Alpha Phi Omega myself, I can tell you that it is definitely a Fraternity as opposed to a regular club. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 15:54, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
- I disagree. This listing is defacto those groups that claim Title IX exemption (The Social Fraternities and Sororities grouping is more or less the ones that don't fit into any other grouping and many of which are historically legally Protestant and White split by gender). This template should be renamed Social Fraternities and Sororities and Alpha Phi Omega included in either an expanded or another template. Alpha Phi Omega is included in Template:Professional Fraternities, although viewing Alpha Phi Omega as a Professional Fraternity is only because it joined the PFA after the PFA changed their bylaws.Naraht (talk) 16:22, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
- There *should* be a Service GLO template, But deciding where to expand it beyond APO, GSS and OPA is problematic.Naraht (talk) 16:50, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
- There are 2 problems with your counterargument based on Title IX exemption specifically.
- 1. Title IX is only a Federal United States law, and not a Worldwide Convention. (There are very few Mandatory Conventions in our world, but that is a completely unrelated topic.) Anyway, Title IX is only in the USA. The Greek Movement is Worldwide, not just USA. Chapters in other countries neither have nor lack a Title IX exemption, as the topic is irrelevant to them.
- 2. By your own admission, there are only 3 clear-cut examples of Service Fraternities with a large enough number of chapters to be Notable. That, in and of itself, is a numerical reason to add a row to this template rather than making another one entirely.
- By the way, considering APO a "Professional" Fraternity is misleading despite its inter-organization affiliation. It is if anything more similar to Social Fraternities than it is to the likes of Sigma Alpha, Gamma Iota Sigma, and Delta Theta Phi, all of which are Major-specific as a true Professional Fraternity would imply. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 05:45, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
- 1. Title IX and the exemption thereof that they claim covers 99% of the organizations mentioned here. Until this list includes significant mentions from the Philippines (Tau Gamma Phi/Tau Gamma Sigma, Alpha Chi Rho) or Canada/France (such as Sigma Thêta Pi), Title IX covers the greek letter organizations mentioned. This list is defacto US GLOs.
- 2. SPURS and Intercollegiate Knights *had* more active chapters than Omega Phi Alpha, once notable, always notable.
- 3. I never said that Alpha Phi Omega was a Professional Fraternity, I'm a strong supporter of using the groupings used in Baird's where the Service Greeks are under the "Recognition Societies" (as a 5th grouping other than Social Fraternities, Social Sororities, Professional and Honorary).
- 4. What I mean is that I'd rather see *this* template moved to another name that has the name "Social" in it (as all of the groups there *are* and Alpha Phi Omega added to a more comprehensive better one like Template:Scoutorg BSA
- 5. Good to meet a fellow Alpha Phi Omega brother on. (Initiated Fall '86 Kappa-Carnegie Mellon U.)Naraht (talk) 16:08, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
- Good point on how we should add more non-American Fraternities and Sororities to this Template. I'm all for that, as well. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 23:56, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, missed the response. Do we want to make a service GLO template as well?Naraht (talk)
Regarding music and band fraternities
There are currently three of the four primary National Interfraternity Music Council (NIMC) members that are currently included on the template: the two primary music organizations which are both single-sex and claim a Title IX exemption Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia and Sigma Alpha Iota as well as the co-ed band sorority Tau Beta Sigma. Tau Beta Sigma's counterpart organization, the co-ed band fraternity, Kappa Kappa Psi is not included on the template. I'm interested in any feedback regarding their continued inclusion or removal from the template as well as if they are continued to be included on the template, their proper classification on it. Thanks for any and all feedback on this matter. Freddiem (talk) 01:36, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
If Hazing deaths include the Philippines, then there should probably be a line for the Philippine GLOs.