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''Conversations with an Executioner'' ( pl, Rozmowy z katem) is a book by
Kazimierz Moczarski Kazimierz Damazy Moczarski (21 July 1907 – 27 September 1975) was a Polish writer and journalist, an officer of the Polish Home Army (''noms de guerre'': Borsuk, Grawer, Maurycy, and Rafał; active in anti-Nazi resistance). Kazimierz Moczars ...
, a Polish writer and journalist, officer of the
Polish Home Army The Home Army ( pl, Armia Krajowa, abbreviated AK; ) was the dominant resistance movement in German-occupied Poland during World War II. The Home Army was formed in February 1942 from the earlier Związek Walki Zbrojnej (Armed Resistance) est ...
who was active in the anti-Nazi resistance during World War II. On 11 August 1945, he was captured and imprisoned in a maximum-security prison by the notorious UB secret police under Stalinism. For a time, he shared the same cell with the
Nazi Nazism ( ; german: Nazismus), the common name in English for National Socialism (german: Nationalsozialismus, ), is the far-right totalitarian political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in ...
war criminal
Jürgen Stroop Jürgen Stroop (born Josef Stroop, 26 September 1895 – 6 March 1952) was a German SS commander during the Nazi era, who served as SS and Police Leader in occupied Poland and Greece. He led the suppression of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 194 ...
, who was soon to be executed. They engaged in a series of conversations. The book is a retelling of those interviews.Andrzej Szczypiorski (1977)
Moczarski Kazimierz, ''Rozmowy z katem''
text with ''Notes'' and ''Biography'' by Andrzej Krzysztof Kunert (PDF 1.86 MB, available from Scribd.com). Retrieved
Moczarski spent four years on death row (1952–56), incarcerated as an alleged
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. He was tried three times while in prison as an anticommunist, and pardoned eleven years later, during the anti-Stalinist Polish October.Stéphane Courtois, Mark Kramer
''Livre noir du Communisme: crimes, terreur, répression''.
The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression, ''
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'', 1999, 858 pages. . Pages 377–378.
His manuscript about Stroop, written in secrecy from 1956, was published in monthly installments by the magazine ''Odra'' in 1972–74, followed by a shortened book version released in 1977. The full text without communist censorship was published in 1992 after the collapse of the Soviet bloc, by the
Polish Scientific Publishers PWN Wydawnictwo Naukowe PWN (''Polish Scientific Publishers PWN''; until 1991 ''Państwowe Wydawnictwo Naukowe'' - ''National Scientific Publishers PWN'', PWN) is a Polish book publisher, founded in 1951, when it split from the Wydawnictwa Szkolne i ...
. Moczarski did not witness the publication of his book. He died on 27 September 1975 in Warsaw, weakened by the years of savage physical torture endured during his police interrogations.


Background

'' SS-Gruppenführer''
Jürgen Stroop Jürgen Stroop (born Josef Stroop, 26 September 1895 – 6 March 1952) was a German SS commander during the Nazi era, who served as SS and Police Leader in occupied Poland and Greece. He led the suppression of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 194 ...
was taken prisoner by the Allies in Germany under a false identity. He was tried by the U.S. Military Tribunal at Dachau on unrelated charges. In late May 1947, Stroop was handed over for retrial to the People's Republic of Poland for the suppression of the
Warsaw Ghetto Uprising The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising; pl, powstanie w getcie warszawskim; german: link=no, Aufstand im Warschauer Ghetto was the 1943 act of Jewish resistance in the Warsaw Ghetto in German-occupied Poland during World War II to oppose Nazi Germany' ...
and the methodical destruction of the ghetto. His crimes resulted in the death of over 50,000 people. He was kept in jail for four years before the Criminal District Court in Warsaw put him on trial on July 18, 1951, for the war crimes committed in Poland. Stroop was executed on 6 March 1952, arrogant and unrepentant until the very end. Moczarski spent nine months (or 255 days) with Stroop, locked in his cell from March 2, 1949, until November 11, 1949. The Stalinists falsely accused Moczarski of being a Nazi, which in turn allowed Stroop to relax in his presence, his every word a form of confession with nothing held back. Moczarski himself was sentenced to death on November 18, 1952. The following October, his sentence was commuted to life imprisonment, but he was not informed about the change. In December 1956, at the end of Stalinist terror in Poland, he was retried for the last time, pronounced innocent, and rehabilitated. The courts declared that the charges against him were utterly falsified by
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under
Roman Romkowski Roman Romkowski born Nasiek (Natan) Grinszpan-Kikiel, Tadeusz Piotrowski ''Poland's holocaust''. Page 60McFarland, 1998. . 437 pages. (February 16, 1907 – July 12, 1965) was a Polish communist official trained by Comintern in Moscow. After the ...
who ordered his brutal treatment. Some 15 years after his torturous ordeal had ended, Moczarski began writing his book in 1971 using notes collected since 1956 and published parts of it soon thereafter. Some of his Polish followers asked how he could remember it so well. It was due to his heightened state of alertness that only death row could bring, he said. In the ''Annex'' to his book Moczarski explained that also Stroop, seemingly unable to remember any Polish word learned a day earlier, was happy to recite every single line from his reports to Hitler.


Conversations

The uncut Polish edition of the book by Moczarski is preceded by a ''Foreword'' written by
Andrzej Szczypiorski Andrzej Szczypiorski (; 3 February 1928 – 16 May 2000) was a Polish novelist and politician. He served as a member of the Polish legislature, and was a Solidarity activist interned during the military crackdown of 1981. He was a secret poli ...
and followed by his Biography and Glossary of German names and terms by Andrzej Krzysztof Kunert. The book is composed of 26 chapters each with a separate title and structured like a traditional biography beginning with the description of their first meeting in prison, and then continuing in a chronological order from the subject's birth until his execution, with additional themes woven into the central story. Moczarski and Stroop were not alone in the cell. The third inmate was Gustav Schielke from the
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originally from
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. All three slept on narrow mattresses placed on the floor for the night. There was a retractable wall bed in the cell, which none of them used out of respect for the others. Stroop derived considerable pleasure from talking, giving him a new focus and a reason to live, especially due to Moczarski's genuine interest in every detail of his story. Stroop described the destruction of the Warsaw Ghetto after the ghetto uprising in minute detail, eager to mention the foreign ''
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'' ("willing helpers") in the death of over 50,000
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: "They did not understand Polish," he said, "and therefore, were unable to communicate with the people of Warsaw. This was exactly what we wanted. We called them
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." Moczarski translated his interior monologues in the first person, and did not dramatize any of the admittedly irrational parts. The book, written in Polish and published as in 1978 by , was translated to English and published in 1981 by
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as ''Conversations with an Executioner''. Prominent translations include German, as , published by ''Droste'', Düsseldorf, in 1978; French, as by ''Gallimard'', Paris, in 1979; Hebrew, as by Loḥame ha-Geṭaʼot, Tel Aviv, in 1979–80; Czech, as by ''Jota'', Brno, in 2007; and Ukrainian, as by Černìvcì in 2009, among several others.


In popular culture

* The ''Rozmowy z katem'' (''Conversations with an Executioner'') based on Kazimierz Moczarski's memoir have been made into a Polish
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in 2006. Stroop is played by the actor
Piotr Fronczewski Piotr Fronczewski (born 8 June 1946 in Łódź, Poland), is a Polish actor and a cabaret and theatre singer. He is regarded as one of the greatest and most popular actors of his generation. Life and career He was born to a Polish mother, Bogna ...
. The film received three awards at the 2007 ''Krajowy Festiwal Teatru Polskiego Radia i Teatru TV "Dwa Teatry"''. * In 2007, filmmaker Maciej Englert created a DVD documentary entitled ''"Conversations With An Executioner"'' based on Moczarski's book. * On April 18, 2012, Philip Boehm's stage adaptation of Moczarski's ''Conversations with.an Executioner'' premiered at the Upstream Theater in St. Louis, Missouri.


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References

* * * * {{Authority control 1977 non-fiction books Polish-language books Books of interviews Oral history books History books about the Holocaust Warsaw Ghetto Uprising Works originally published in Polish magazines Polish Scientific Publishers PWN books Works about Warsaw Ghetto