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Charles Graham Webb (4 September 1886 – 13 June 1973) was an Irish
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player who represented his country once as an amateur and three times as a professional. He was employed by English club
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for nearly forty years as player and manager.


Early life and career

Webb was born into a Scottish military family at the
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, a military camp in County Kildare, Ireland, where his father, Sergeant William Webb of the
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, was stationed. The family moved around following Sgt Webb's postings so the young Webb spent some of his childhood in Edinburgh Castle before settling in the
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, Sussex, area.Carder & Harris, ''Albion A–Z'', pp. 254–55. As a 16-year-old, Webb played first-team football for the town club,
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, and in his second season, he contributed to Worthing winning a treble of the Sussex Senior Cup, the West Sussex Senior League, and a local charity cup.Vinicombe, p. 16. In 1904, Webb followed in the family tradition by enlisting in the 2nd Battalion of the
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. His trade in the Army was a clerk, and while serving in Ireland, he furthered his football career playing for his regimental team in the Leinster Senior League, and later, in the
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for
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. He scored freely for his regiment – in November 1907 he scored all seven in a 7–4 defeat of
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– and early the following year was the only player from outside the Irish League to be selected for the Leinster representative team to play Ulster. He had a trial with Scottish club Rangers in 1908, and later that year was chosen to represent the Irish League in a match against the English League. In November, he was
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by the Ireland amateur national team, in a match against the England amateurs in
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. Described by ''
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reporter as "distinctly the best of an indifferent forward line", he scored Ireland's late consolation goal in a 5–1 defeat. In January 1909, while on Christmas leave from his regiment, Webb played and scored for
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in a Southern League match against
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. On his return, the Army discovered he had appeared alongside professionals and banned him from military football for 12 months.
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fined the Brighton club £5 "for having approached and played Webb in violation of the Rules of the Association." Rumours that the military authorities would prevent him playing for Bohemians in the semifinal of the
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proved unfounded, but when Webb finished on the winning side, the ''
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'' reported that
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, the losing club, intended to protest his inclusion, on the grounds that playing in the Southern League made him ineligible to appear in the Irish Cup competition. The result stood, though by the time the final was played, Webb had left the club. Forced to choose between his military and his football career, he bought himself out of the Army and signed for Albion as an amateur.


Brighton & Hove Albion

A few days later, Webb became the first Brighton player to be capped at full international level when he made his debut for
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against
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at
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on 15 March 1909. Ireland lost 5–0. In his second international match, a week later against
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in
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, Ireland lost 3–2, and Webb had to play the second half out of position at left half because of an injury sustained by English McConnell. Called up after
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's Charlie O'Hagan withdrew from the party selected to play
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in 1910, Webb was unable to accept the invitation. His third and last cap came the following year, as replacement for James Macauley; given "one rare chance to open the scoring ... with no one to beat but the goalkeeper", he shot wide as Scotland went on to win 2–0. At the end of the 1909–10 season, the ''Times'' reported that "Brighton and Hove Albion have not had much difficulty in finishing at the head of the Southern League". Webb played in every game as Albion won their first and, as of 2021, only major title. This achievement earned them a place in the FA Charity Shield in which they faced reigning Football League champions Aston Villa at Stamford Bridge in London. The only goal of the game was scored in the second half, following a corner kick taken by Albion's Bert Longstaff. Aston Villa's goalkeeper parried the ball into a knot of players, from where Bill Hastings touched it to Webb, "who cleverly evaded a couple of Villa defenders and found the net with a rising cross-shot." Crowds packed the area around Brighton railway station to welcome the victors home at 11:30 pm, and the ''Sussex Daily News'' suggested that the team could "now be dubbed as Champions of England".''Sussex Daily News'' match report, 6 September 1910, cited in Carder & Harris, ''Seagulls!'', p. 55. A testimonial fund raised more than £120 which was distributed among the professional players. As an amateur, Webb could receive no prize money, so the club presented him with a gold tie-pin instead. He turned professional soon afterwards. He finished as the club's leading scorer in 1912–13, with 13 goals in all competitions, and went on to set a club record for goals scored in the Southern League of 64. Though his Ireland career was at an end, Webb continued to be selected in representative teams. In September 1912, he scored for the Southern League as the Football League XI beat them 2–1 at Old Trafford, Manchester, and the following season, he was selected for a Southern Alliance eleven to play that league's champions,
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; among his teammates was
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, the England Test cricketer. A serious leg injury sustained in a match against
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in November 1914 effectively put an end to his playing career.


First World War

On the outbreak of war, Brighton & Hove Albion supported the war effort by having a rifle range built at the
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. Webb led rifle drill on the pitch, using wooden replicas where there were insufficient actual weapons to go round. He re-enlisted as a second lieutenant in the King's Royal Rifle Corps, and served on the Western Front from July 1917. Promoted to acting captain (the rank was confirmed after the war), he was leading a patrol near
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in March 1918 when they were challenged in French. Unfortunately for Webb and his men, the French speakers were German troops. Preferring to avoid unnecessary injury or death, Webb surrendered. He saw out the duration as a
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in
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, Germany. While awaiting repatriation, he received a letter from the chairman of Brighton & Hove Albion offering him the post of team manager, an appointment he took up on his demobilisation in 1919.


Managerial career

The club had closed down during the war, so Webb's first task was not only rebuilding the team but also involving himself with rebuilding the ground. Competition resumed in 1919–20, and the following season, Webb led the team into the Football League as a Third Division was formed largely comprising the Southern League First Division teams of the year before. Awarded a testimonial in recognition of his service to the club, Webb chose the League game against
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in April 1921 as his benefit match; it attracted more than 10,000 spectators and raised nearly £500. In the
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, Webb led Albion to the fifth round (last 16), defeating First Division Everton on the way in what he later described as "the best Cup exhibition of any Albion team under my management". He earned a reputation as a sound judge of a player. Immediately after the war, the signing of former
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forward
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for a club record £200 fee was viewed as quite a coup. Holley suffered a career-ending injury, so hardly played, but Webb replaced him with Jack Doran who finished as the club's top scorer despite joining halfway through the season. He brought Tommy Cook through from the juniors into the first team; Cook was top scorer in three seasons, but when he left the club to concentrate on his
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career, Webb brought in the
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reserve Hugh Vallance, who turned out to be a "goalscoring phenomenon" alongside Dan Kirkwood. Again, when twice top scorer Arthur Attwood succumbed to
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in 1933, Webb signed former
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centre-forward Oliver "Buster" Brown who had failed to break into the first team at
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; with regular football at Albion, Brown produced 41 goals in his first two seasons. Between the wars, Webb's teams finished in the top five of the Third Division South on ten occasions, but challenged seriously for promotion only in the latter half of the 1930s. He led the team to third place in 1936–37, despite an uneasy relationship with the club's board, the supporters, and the press. The board came under criticism for alleged interference in team affairs, having undue influence over the manager in pressing the claims for selection of one player over another. Letters to the local press suggested that Webb should "be allowed greater freedom", while in the ''
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'', the pseudonymous "Crusader"'s "vitriolic attacks on the directors and management of Brighton and Hove Albion for their alleged lack of ambition and inept team selections ... generated a massive readership response" and led to "near physical confrontations with Charlie Webb, the beleaguered manager and former Albion player, despite the team usually finishing in a respectable position in the League table." The club's relationship with the local newspaper worsened during the 1937–38 season, to the extent that "Crusader" was "either banned by the directors or was voluntarily taken off by he editor. Webb himself told the '' Daily Express'': "Here you have a town full of people with money, yet hardly one of them will give us a hand. Without attractive new players and a winning team you can't get gates and without gates you can't have money." Nevertheless, the national press recognised his achievements. A ''
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'' feature in 1939 compared him to
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of Arsenal and Frank Buckley of
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, A '' Guardian'' retrospective on the club, written in 1973, described how "Brighton had a skilful team usually playing to the top six" under Webb, "whose transfer acquisitions were as often as not costed on the price of his train ticket and buffet sandwiches".


Second World War and after

No longer of an age for active service, Webb joined the
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during the war. Albion continued to compete in the various wartime leagues, and Webb skilfully exploited the regulations allowing players to make guest appearances for the club nearest to their base. He was particularly fortunate that the
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's posting to Newhaven in 1941 gave him the pick of
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's pre-war team. In their absence, he was reduced to selecting youngsters or soliciting members of the crowd to make up the numbers, as at Norwich City at Christmas 1940, when his travelling party of one senior player and three amateurs was supplemented by Jimmy Ithell of Bolton Wanderers, Norwich City juniors and local servicemen; Albion lost 18–0. At the end of the 1946–47 season, at the age of 60, Webb handed over responsibility for team affairs to former player Tommy Cook, remaining with the club on the administrative side, as secretary and general manager. A few days after a 4–0 home defeat to
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left Albion at the bottom of the table, provoking a demonstration after the match, the directors appointed
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as secretary-manager. Webb stayed on until the end of the 1947–48 season to assist his successor, then left the club and retired from football. Such was Webb's standing in the game that he was awarded a second testimonial. In September 1949,
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, reigning Football League title-holders, though unable to field a full first team because " heirdressing-room aslike a hospital", beat Arsenal, their predecessors as champions, by two goals to one in "an exhibition of memorable football" at the Goldstone Ground. After his retirement, he wrote a regular column in the ''Sussex Daily News''. Webb continued living in the Frith Road house until shortly before his death in a
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nursing home in 1973, at the age of 86.


Personal life, character and legacy

Webb was married to Minnie for more than 60 years. Their son, Ken, was married with a child and employed by the local newspaper, the ''Evening Argus'', when he was killed while training as a pilot in the Second World War. Their daughter, Joyce – born on the same day as the 1910 Charity Shield – survived her parents. She spoke on screen at the football club's centenary evening, at which her father was one of 24 former players and managers nominated as "legends" and profiled in the commemorative volume, and, in 2003, unveiled a memorial plaque on the former family home in Frith Road. According to
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, one of Webb's post-Second World War signings, "everybody called him Mr Webb because he was a perfect gentleman". A 1929 feature on the club in the ''Sussex County Magazine'' spoke of him as "one of the most dominating personalities associated with the club", discharging his managerial duties "with such conspicuous success" while remaining "genial and popular with directors, players and public alike".


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