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"25 or 6 to 4" is a song written by American musician
Robert Lamm Robert William Lamm (born October 13, 1944) is an American keyboardist, guitarist, singer and songwriter best known as a founding member of the rock band Chicago. He wrote many of the band's biggest hits, including " Questions 67 & 68", " Does ...
, one of the founding members of the band
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. It was recorded in 1969 for their second album, ''
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'', with
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on lead vocals.


Composition

In a 2013 interview, Robert Lamm said he composed "25 or 6 to 4" on a twelve-string guitar with only ten strings — it was missing the two low E strings — and that he wrote the lyrics in one day. The band first rehearsed the song at the
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. Lamm said the song is about trying to write a song in the middle of the night. The song's title is the time at which the song is set: 25 or 26 minutes before 4 AM (twenty-five or wenty-ix inutesto four ’clock. Because of the unique phrasing of the song's title, "25 or 6 to 4" has been interpreted to mean everything from a quantity of illicit drugs to the name of a famous person in code. The song's opening guitar
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has been compared to chord progressions and riffs in other songs. In the opinion of writer Melissa Locker: ''
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''s music editor, Andy Hermann, names it "The Riff" and describes it as follows:Hermann details the riff's similarity to the chord progression in
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's version of "
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" by
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, which came out a year before "25 or 6 to 4", and the similarity of that chord progression to one in
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's song "
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", which came out even earlier. He labels "Brain Stew", released in 1996, as "derivative" by comparison to "25 or 6 to 4".


Original version

The original recording features an
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solo using a
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by Chicago guitarist
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, and a lead vocal line in the
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. The album was released in January 1970 and the song was edited and released as a single in June (omitting the second verse and most of the guitar solo), climbing to number 4 on the US ''Billboard'' Hot 100 chart and number 7 on the
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. It was the band's first song to reach the top five in the US. It has been included in numerous Chicago compilation albums. In 2015, Dave Swanson, writing for ''
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'', listed the song as number one on his top ten list of Chicago songs. ''Classic Rock Review'' says the song is "one of the most indelible Chicago tunes". In 2019, Bobby Olivier and Andrew Unterberger, music critics for ''
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'' magazine, ranked the song number one on their list of "The 50 Best Chicago Songs". ''
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'' rated "25 or 6 to 4" no. 22 for "greatest wah solos of all time."


Bans

The song was banned in
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in 1970 due to "alleged allusions to drugs"; the ban extended to later albums that included the song, such as '' Chicago 18''. In 1993, the ban on this song was lifted, along with long-time bans on songs by other artists such as the
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,
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and
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.


Later versions

An updated version of "25 or 6 to 4" was recorded for the 1986 album '' Chicago 18'' with
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listed as co-writer, and new band member
Jason Scheff Jason Randolph Scheff (born April 16, 1962) is an American bassist, singer, and songwriter. From 1985 to 2016, he was the bassist and one of the lead vocalists for the rock band Chicago; he is the longest-serving member in the bassist/vocalist p ...
on lead vocals. It featured two verses instead of three. The single reached number 48 on the US chart. This version was also used as the B-side for the band's next single in 1986, " Will You Still Love Me?" Through the 2010s, "25 or 6 to 4" continued to be a staple in Chicago's live concert set list and in Peter Cetera's solo concert set list. In 2016, the group's former drummer
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reunited on stage with Chicago to perform "25 or 6 to 4" and two other songs at their induction ceremony for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.


Music video

The music video for the 1986 remake won an American Video Award, in the Best Cinematography category, for Bobby Byrne.


Personnel

*
Peter Cetera Peter Paul Cetera ( ; born September 13, 1944) is an American retired musician best known for being a lead vocalist and the bassist of the rock band Chicago from 1967 until his departure in 1985, before launching a successful solo career. His c ...
– lead vocals, bass *
Terry Kath Terry Alan Kath (January 31, 1946 – January 23, 1978) was an American guitarist, singer and songwriter, best known as a founding member of the rock band Chicago. He played guitar and sang lead vocals on many of the band's early hit singl ...
– guitars, backing vocals *
Robert Lamm Robert William Lamm (born October 13, 1944) is an American keyboardist, guitarist, singer and songwriter best known as a founding member of the rock band Chicago. He wrote many of the band's biggest hits, including " Questions 67 & 68", " Does ...
– piano, backing vocals *
Danny Seraphine Daniel Peter Seraphine (born August 28, 1948) is an American drummer, record producer, theatrical producer and film producer. He is best known as the original drummer and a founding member of the rock band Chicago, a tenure which lasted from F ...
– drums *
Jimmy Pankow James Carter Pankow is an American trombone player, songwriter and brass instrument player, best known as a founding member of the rock band Chicago. Early life, family and education Born in St. Louis, Missouri of German and Irish descent, Pa ...
– trombone *
Lee Loughnane Lee David Loughnane (pronounced LOCK-nain; born October 21, 1946) is an American trumpeter, flugelhorn player, vocalist, and songwriter, best known for being a founding member of the rock band Chicago. Early life and education Lee David Loughna ...
– trumpet *
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– tenor saxophone


Chart performance


Weekly charts


Year-end charts


Covers and parodies

The song has been
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by various artists, including
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, Intruder,
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,
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,
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,
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,
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lead singer
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,
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,
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, and as an instrumental on the
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collaboration album
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.
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released his version of the song as a single in 2011. In 2005,
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made "When I'm 25 or 64", a mashup of "25 or 6 to 4" with "
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" by
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.


In popular culture

"25 or 6 to 4" has become a popular song for marching bands to play. In 2018 Kevin Coffey of the ''
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'' named it as the number one "marching band song of all time". As performed by the
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marching band, the
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Sports website ranked it number seven of the "Top 20 Cover Songs of 2018 by HBCU Bands". In a nod to its popularity with marching bands, Chicago performed "25 or 6 to 4" and "Saturday in the Park" with the
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on the football field during halftime on October 21, 2017. The song has been used in popular media as well. It appears as an on-disc track in the video game ''
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''; has been featured on the
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'', directed by
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and starring
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and
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.


Influence

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, former bassist of
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, says that this song was the first rock or metal riff he ever learned to play.
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, former guitarist of Racer X and Mr. Big, says that a "really primitive version" of "25 or 6 to 4" was one of the first songs he taught himself to play on the guitar, using one string.


References


External links


Lyrics of this song
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